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athrane77

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On which beat starts this falseta? 
I was wondering on which beat this awesome trémolo starts at around 0:48 min.


Any Ideas?
I thought it was 3
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Aug. 30 2012 14:23:14
 
Sr. Martins

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RE: On which beat starts this falseta? (in reply to athrane77) 
Hmm... maybe I woke up on the wrong side of the bed but this is exactly the kind of flamenco that I dislike.

The guy is playing lots of notes, complex stuff, dramatic pauses.... but it all sounds like its going nowhere, like a warmup.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Aug. 30 2012 14:36:03
 
athrane77

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RE: On which beat starts this falseta? (in reply to athrane77) 
mmh totally your personal taste. i have to disagree completely
Jeronimo is an insane good guitarrist and composer, for some people this **** might be too good
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Aug. 30 2012 14:48:42
 
johnnefastis

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RE: On which beat starts this falseta? (in reply to athrane77) 
Thats really hard, I don't think I will be attempting that.

I think he starts a llamada (to the 1) and then misses the first bass note and the tremolo starts just after the second beat.

Thats a bit of guess though I find it hard to follow this guys compas.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Aug. 30 2012 15:05:53
 
Sr. Martins

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RE: On which beat starts this falseta? (in reply to athrane77) 
I took a second listen and it still sounds very stale and undecided.

Later I'll take the third strike, if I still dont like it Ill try next year
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Aug. 30 2012 15:18:40
 
Ricardo

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RE: On which beat starts this falseta? (in reply to athrane77) 
starts on 1....that is the rasgueado of the E chord ends with a pulgar Bass note open E that is count 1 and the start of the tremolo.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Aug. 30 2012 15:21:23
 
Erik van Goch

 

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RE: On which beat starts this falseta? (in reply to athrane77) 
quote:

ORIGINAL: jof

mmh totally your personal taste. i have to disagree completely
Jeronimo is an insane good guitarrist and composer, for some people this **** might be too good


If he is such a wonderful player/composer than why do you have so much trouble feeling the compas of this tremolo?

As far as i'm concerned you only got the "insane" part write, but like you said that's just a personal opinion and if you like to interpret that as me not grasping it that's totally fine with me :-)

I use to adore Jeronimo in his younger years, but the last concert i enjoyed his playing was when he was 14/15 years old and rapidly catching up with the 10 year older Vicente (who released his first cd around that time). I totally love the idea behind the first 2 minutes of the Soleares he played at the age of 11. That one sounded like nothing i ever heart before (and since) and i wonder ever since who composed that wonderful material (i don't believe for a second he composed that himself because it is completely different (and way better) than anything he played as an adult).

  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Aug. 30 2012 16:14:17
 
athrane77

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RE: On which beat starts this falseta? (in reply to athrane77) 
i think its very hard to fell the compás in that piece because he plays very free.
I don't get it why people don't like him as a composer.
Heard this many times before: great technique but he don't tells a story to us...
or something like this.
I think he has a very personal style and this is a rare quality of today's musicians
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Aug. 30 2012 16:25:00
 
Erik van Goch

 

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RE: On which beat starts this falseta? (in reply to athrane77) 
I'm afraid you are right about the lack of personal style of many of today's musicians, but to me Jeronimo is just a little bit to personal. If i listen to the tremolo you posted i don't loose track because it is played very free but because it doesn't even seem to try to fallow "normal compas behavior". Compas is more than just having the right amount of beats, every note has a time and a place and the challenge of a composer is to be personal and original within that context.

Despite lacking a story this tremolo to me feels like a puzzle of 1000 pieces that are combined randomly without honoring the intended picture. It starts on beat 1 but musically it feels very much like 4(5,6). If he would ad a 3 beat melody (e,f,c)b in front it would have a much better compas structure and would not need al the strange (mis)corrections that i tent to hear later on. This setup is demonstrated in the wonderful Soleares tremolo Paco de Lucia plays on his fabulous album Siroco. That's a tremolo i can fully understand and appreciate, on top of being original and personal :-).

On top Jeronimo uses lot's of material that is vaguely based on (or an exact replica of) Paco de lucia, Vicente and others, without giving it a new meaning or direction...that's not what i consider "personal" style.

tremolo at 0:17

  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Aug. 30 2012 17:21:06
 
Sr. Martins

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RE: On which beat starts this falseta? (in reply to athrane77) 
I think its the first time I hear something from him although I remember reading his name a few times so my opinion is based only on this clip.

Now you're saying that all his playing is like a train to nowhere so maybe I shouldnt waste time looking for other pieces

Sometimes I get the same feeling from Tomatito's modern stuff.. some of his "jazzy" stuff sounds like "let me just play some tension notes over this chord, totally unrelated to whatever I played before or am going to play next"
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Aug. 30 2012 17:36:07
 
Elie

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RE: On which beat starts this falseta? (in reply to athrane77) 
quote:

Jeronimo is an insane good guitarrist and composer

totally agree !

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