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RE: Flamencos telling the banks how ... (in reply to Kate)
Ahaha thanks for sharing I also like the rumba one they perform with the "el muerto vivo" lyrics style.
Is this the Bankia that requieres public $$ to face their trouble?
I heard that last year they made (bankia) like a 300 million profits and reparted the half of it to some fews members. Now they ask public money for their losses...
Sad situation in Spain But I expect some (foro) propagandists to come and claim that's spaniards deserve it coz they lived way behonds their means (under socialist zapatero lead)...
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RE: Flamencos telling the banks how ... (in reply to mezzo)
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Is this the Bankia that requieres public $$ to face their trouble?
Yes. It was said they needed €4,500,000,000 of public money to 'restore confidence'. When the government said "OK, we'll bail you out" they replied "Thanks - make it €23,000,000,000."
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RE: Flamencos telling the banks how ... (in reply to mezzo)
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so the Kapitalistic dogma strikes again :"privitize beneficits, socialize losses"
I agree with you. All too often big banks and businesses want the rewards when they take risks and succeed, but they want the government (read taxpayers) to bail them out when they take risks and fail. But, then, that is not true Capitalism or the free enterprize system that sustains it. True, classic Capitalism and free enterprize do reward success, but they do not reward failure. That is the result of government intervention masquerading as Capitalism. In the long run, it is counter-productive because businesses and banks that are bailed out have no incentive to be prudent in the future, as they have been conditioned to count on another government bailout.
Cheers,
Bill
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RE: Flamencos telling the banks how ... (in reply to mezzo)
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But I expect some (foro) propagandists to come and claim that's spaniards deserve it coz they lived way behonds their means (under socialist zapatero lead)...
So you can extoll the virtues of Socialism and you're not being a "propagandist." But those with a different point of view, with whom you disagree, are "propagandists." Debating different points of view is healthy, but the debate should be on the merits of the case. To call someone with whom one disagrees a "propagandist" (or any other epithet) is really bad form and simply demonstrates that one has no arrows left in one's intellectual quiver.
Cheers,
Bill
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RE: Flamencos telling the banks how ... (in reply to machopicasso)
You have changed your character and your reason my friend Since you have money I cant stand you the ways of the new rich you have reduced my wages while I raised yours in order to survive I even cooked my parrot and sold my house Dont deceive me Rodrigo because of your bad head we are all robbers I need 2 jobs to pay the mortgage you put yourself in chaos and throw me out on the street because there is no butter I am looking for 2 jobs to pay the mortgage Ay Bankia for you 6 pairs of lungs for me not even a set of gills I dont love you any more even though you wiave the interest I dont love you Bankia !
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RE: Flamencos telling the banks how ... (in reply to Estevan)
estevan--good catch. wish i could say it was intentional but it was not--trying to type with laptop on chest while on my back--cannot use laptop lift/support as it puts weight downwards on my back and just had back surgery.
personally i am fed up with bankers and their bad behavior.
RE: Flamencos telling the banks how ... (in reply to BarkellWH)
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To call someone with whom one disagrees a "propagandist" (or any other epithet) is really bad form and simply demonstrates that one has no arrows left in one's intellectual quiver.
Bill: this is a VERY socialist tought!.... I Agree! 100%! :-)
... Spain..... Greece.... Italy......things are getting worse here!....day after day!..... Banks are killing the people!.........I hope that "flamenco will burry the capitalism! :-) ....... here the governements instead to resolve the prblems, are arleady preparing another...... "dirty war".... now is Syria's turn.....
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RE: Flamencos telling the banks how ... (in reply to gbv1158)
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GUYS.....LET'S ENJOY FLAMENCO!... :-) :-)
I absolutely agree with you, Giambattista! If the world goes to hell and Foro members still have our guitars, all will not be lost.
Cheers,
Bill
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RE: Flamencos telling the banks how ... (in reply to Kate)
Amazing video and nice translation Kate, thanks for posting this. Hope you don't mind if i share it with some friends so they can get a better understanding.
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RE: Flamencos telling the banks how ... (in reply to botafoguense)
Esteban just pointed out to me that in the first translation I put
"I even pawned my parrot"
and the second time writing out the whole translation I put "cooked my parrot" so just to clarify, I think it could mean both in that empañada is also a method of cooking in pastry. Obviously the humour is that it can mean both things. Though I could be wrong
RE: Flamencos telling the banks how ... (in reply to mezzo)
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Is this the Bankia that requieres public $$ to face their trouble?
I heard that last year they made (bankia) like a 300 million profits and reparted the half of it to some fews members. Now they ask public money for their losses...
"Aurelio Izquierdo, the former finance director at the financially crippled Bankia, is due to receive a €14m (£11m) payout despite the bank asking for a €19bn state bailout. [...] Mr Izquierdo is far from alone. The Spanish press reported yesterday that about €136m is due in payouts to bank executives quitting bankrupt or merged lenders, including €6.16m to Matías Amat, another former high-flier at Bankia, who retired last autumn."
RE: Flamencos telling the banks how ... (in reply to BarkellWH)
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To call someone with whom one disagrees a "propagandist" (or any other epithet) is really bad form and simply demonstrates that one has no arrows left in one's intellectual quiver.
Let me clarify why I use this epithet.
If I want to listen to your arguments, I just have to turn on the radio or tv. Mainstream medias are monopolized by so called experts that rehashing all day long the kind of arguments you fill your topics with. (In your particular case, I must concede that I heard them in the mouth of the most conservative medias).
I'm fine with that. That's just how the democratic information works. Mainstream medias are owned by big corporations. These few one decide and direct the information processing in order to not clash with their particular interests. Obviously the information is free and uncontrolled. There is no censorship, even if sneaky pressure tactics exist.
So called economical, political, medical or societal experts are always present to claim HOW and WHY the situation is the way it is. And it's always pushing in the same direction. Altough we feel some debates are tense and polemical, most of the times they agree on the fundamentals BUT disagree strongly about, let's say, the tip iceberg' color... Also due to time limitation that mainstream media impose to their guest, it's impossibile to made deep analysis about complicate situations that requiers a step back observation in order to face what's really going on. But with time limitation, one need to made shortcut and express with a stereotyped view.
I personnaly trust more some academical personnalities who are boycotted by mainstream like Noam Chomsky rather than the so called expert who moves from broadcast studio to another rehashing his P.R.O.P.A.G.A.N.D.A.
To give you an example on this argument. Here's an academical personnality's analysis who you'll certainly have trouble to found in the brodcast studios owned by big corporations. Maybe there're also shortcuts in his argumentation, but for me it makes more sense (especially his conclusion) than the ones you fill here since several months. I'll never agree nor consider them as valid even if I respect your POV.
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RE: Flamencos telling the banks how ... (in reply to mezzo)
I could easily turn your argument against you by stating that if I want to hear and read about positions you favor, all I have to do is access sources on the internet (Moveon.org, Huffington Post, etc.) or read Noam Chomsky (which I have done). Yet, I have never called you a "propagandist" for these sources. Why? Because I believe that you have reached your beliefs and positions independently. I do not think you are a "lap dog" for the Left. I may disagree with you, but I trust you to have made independent judgments in reaching your conclusions. In other words, I think that you have a mind of your own.
I also have a mind of my own. I do not reach my positions by parroting the "Mainstream Media" any more than I think you reach your positions by parroting the sources mentioned (Huffington Post, Chomsky, et al). I have read widely, including academics like Milton Friedman, Fridrich Hayek, Ludvig von Mises, and others (as well as Noam Chomsky, Jurgen Habermas, Sartre, Camus, etc.), and I have formed my opinions and positions on politics, economics, and social issues independently, incorporating not only what I have read, but what I perceive in the real world surrounding us. I assume you have reached your positions in a like manner.
You would do well to think twice about using epithets such as "propagandist" to describe those with whom you disagree. It diminishes one to hurl such epithets and demonstrates an inability to meet the argument head-on.
Bill
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RE: Flamencos telling the banks how ... (in reply to BarkellWH)
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I have read widely, including academics like Milton Friedman, Fridrich Hayek, Ludvig von Mises, and others (as well as Noam Chomsky, Jurgen Habermas, Sartre, Camus, etc.)
You certainly have read more than me on this matter. I do not pretend to be an aknowlegeable person on this. I'm not proselytizing, neither trying to convince anyone. I just have my beliefs based on my daily reality.
About whom I call propagandist*, I stand on what I say and IMO your arguments against it are very shorts. These labelled 'experts' have a WIDE access and exposure due to the mainstream media. A banal Joe watching TV or listening radio is exposed to their arguments and theories even if he not interested in it. He's involontary submited to it the whole year. Like 'em or not. (I consider it propaganda coz for me it's an intellectual hammering)
On the contrary, the others one do not have access to such exposure. Their ideas and arguments are left on the periphery of the debate. One need to be active to acquire real (not ersatz) alternative informations. Not PASSIVE as occurs with the Dominant thought.
*I'm not talking about journalist but external 'experts' to the editorial.
Another example
look at this comic 'pedogogic' about Espanistan (with engl subs)
Then here have a look to how the mainstream media consider him (spanish only)
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RE: Flamencos telling the banks how ... (in reply to mezzo)
Here's something funny I came across and wanted to share. Talkin' about Dominant tought, mainstream media, propaganda and other bs that I developed in my argumentation. A funny illustration imo...
I do not really deeply understand it coz it's not my cultural environnement (I never heard about this Glenn Beck guy) but I get the general idea
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RE: Flamencos telling the banks how ... (in reply to mezzo)
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Here's something funny I came across and wanted to share. Talkin' about Dominant tought, mainstream media, propaganda and other bs that I developed in my argumentation. A funny illustration imo...
I do not really deeply understand it coz it's not my cultural environnement (I never heard about this Glenn Beck guy) but I get the general idea
Actually, Mezzo, Glenn Beck does not represent either "dominant thought" or the "mainstream media" in the United States. He is, however, full of BS extreme Right-Wing "propaganda." Glenn Beck is a pathological Right-Wing nut who at one time had a show on Fox News (which is a Right-Wing cable organization, not mainstream.) Beck does have a following among non-thinking automotons who believe the Obama Administration is plotting to implement Socialism in the U.S. The kind of people who follow Beck are middle-aged, pot-bellied jerks who join "militias" and wear camouflage uniforms on weekends to train to fight the takeover of the U.S. by "Socialists." His followers are as out of touch with reality as he is.
Cheers,
Bill
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But I expect some (foro) propagandists to come and claim that's spaniards deserve it coz they lived way behonds their means (under socialist zapatero lead)... 
They're so philantropic... 
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