All Oregon Wood Flamenco Guitar

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Samarto

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All Oregon Wood Flamenco Guitar

Juniper back and sides. Port Orford Cypress top. Manzanita bridge. Black Locust golpeadors. Mountain Mahogany fingerboard and pegs. Ponderosa pine head veneer. Black Walnut headstock. Douglas fir neck. Phenomenal guitar for tone, response, and evenness of tone and volume over the entire range.

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Samarto

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RE: All Oregon Wood Flamenco Guitar (in reply to Samarto)

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 8 2012 12:49:24

Samarto

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RE: All Oregon Wood Flamenco Guitar (in reply to Samarto)

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Samarto

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RE: All Oregon Wood Flamenco Guitar (in reply to Samarto)

http://www.tsiorba.com/alternative-local-tonewood-flamenco-guitar-origen-de-oregon/

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 8 2012 13:02:02

beno

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RE: All Oregon Wood Flamenco Guitar (in reply to Samarto)

WOOOOW!
That looks absolutely amazing! I wonder how a cypress sound as a top? How does it compare to a spruce one?

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 8 2012 13:04:07

Samarto

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RE: All Oregon Wood Flamenco Guitar (in reply to beno)

Port Orford Cypress is superior to any spruce or cedar in my opinion for a soundboard. Oregon Juniper is also a member of the cypress family.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 8 2012 13:08:10

nhills

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RE: All Oregon Wood Flamenco Guitar (in reply to Samarto)

Is what you are call Port Orford Cypress the same as what others (e.g. Stansell) call Port Orford Cedar?
Norman

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TANúñez

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RE: All Oregon Wood Flamenco Guitar (in reply to Samarto)

"Oregon de la Frontera" nice

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 8 2012 14:23:56

Samarto

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RE: All Oregon Wood Flamenco Guitar (in reply to nhills)

nhills, Yes same wood but incorrectly called cedar. Not sure why Les still refers to it as cedar. Lawson Cypress or Port Orford Cypress is correct. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chamaecyparis_lawsoniana

It is also called Ginger Pine, but it isn't a pine either. I think most call it a cedar because it is what they have heard and is common. I think for guitar makers it is important to call it cypress because otherwise many think of it as cedar and associated the cedar tone characteristics to it. It can be confusing to someone that has never heard POC live.

Also it is common to call juniper cedar. It also is not a cedar, but a cypress. We hear doctor referring to juniper pollen allergies as cedar allergies, even though botanist make it clear that it isn't a cedar.

Another interesting fact is that Redwood is also not a cedar and in the cypress family.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 8 2012 15:46:54

Sean

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RE: All Oregon Wood Flamenco Guitar (in reply to Samarto)

Lol as messed up as the names are we are stuck with them, Port Orford Cypress is not correct as nobody uses that term but yes it is a true Cypress. Spanish Cedar isn't a Cedar either should we start calling it Spanish Mahogany? How about Wester Red Cedar should it now be Western Red Thuja and did they ever make up their minds wether Alaskan Yellow Cedar was a Cedar or a Cypress? You could spend all day talking about misnamed trees so I think it's just a whole lot easier using the names everyone already knows instead of reinventing the forest.
The only real logical answer would be to line up all the tree scientists and kick them in the nuts but seeing as the ones responsible are all long gone that may make that solution less then practical.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 8 2012 16:12:40

Samarto

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RE: All Oregon Wood Flamenco Guitar (in reply to Sean)

Easiest to call it POC, then no problem. I did not invert calling it cypress and I know as many people that call it cypress as call it cedar, however your point is well taken. Same with Mountain Mahogany. It isn't mahogany and many luthiers call it Cercocarpus. I would call it Cercocarpus, but I forget how to spell it. Interesting story about a guy that has a Stansell POC top, B & S, braces, and neck flamenco. When asked what the back and sides were he said cypress, when asked about the top and neck, he said cedar.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 8 2012 17:18:04

mezzo

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RE: All Oregon Wood Flamenco Guitar (in reply to Samarto)

Are the golpeadores also made in wood?

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 8 2012 19:46:03

Sean

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RE: All Oregon Wood Flamenco Guitar (in reply to Samarto)

It's a beautiful guitar, most Junipers I ever see are small shrubs and skinny little ornamental trees. There is one old one in the ravine the parks guys have been trimming branches off of but even the trunk on that one is still way to small for a guitar.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 8 2012 22:23:36

Samarto

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RE: All Oregon Wood Flamenco Guitar (in reply to mezzo)

Messo, Yes the golpeadors are made from Black Locust that was 1/4 sawn and grain runs with the top. thinned to about .75 mm. Lightly french polished. Wears better than plastic and adds to the brightness instead of the dulling effect of plastic. Nice loud clear golpes. I am converting all my guitars to wood golpeadors.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 8 2012 23:43:36

Ricardo

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RE: All Oregon Wood Flamenco Guitar (in reply to Samarto)

Looks cool but action looks high.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 9 2012 17:38:45

Samarto

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RE: All Oregon Wood Flamenco Guitar (in reply to Ricardo)

It is a bit high in these photos at about 3.1 on the E6 and 3 on E1. I took it down to 2.8 on the E6 and 2.6 on the E1. Still a bit higher than I keep my others, but plays easy and sounds fantastic with tremendous volume.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 9 2012 18:49:17

Dave K

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RE: All Oregon Wood Flamenco Guitar (in reply to Samarto)

Awesome guitar! I've not found mountain mahogany in a usable size for fingerboards, although it seems like an ideal wood for the purpose. We know it's a great wood for fittings like pegs and some violin parts.
The juniper for the back and sides is just drop-dead gorgeous... Again to find it in a useable size is difficult. Congratulations, it's a really beautiful guitar.
Cheers, Dave

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