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Skai
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 RE: Kinda new.. Kinda nervous.. Kind... (in reply to Black Fang)
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Trust me, these people here are not the typical forum users. They don't go 'Paco de Lucia rules, Juan Martin sucks!' Discussion here is actually productive, I've learnt alot these past few months and I'm enjoying myself so much I don't think I'm going to leave anytime soon..  Welcome to the forum!
Flamenco guitars:
1. Lower action for more speed and raspier rasguedos. Buzzes slightly for better rasguedos.
2. Sycamore/Cypress backs and sides (generally). Lightweight wood that has less sustain than rosewood etc. Sounds brighter and louder with a punchier tone.
3. Smaller bodies give a more 'treble' tone.
4. One or two golpeadors (tap plates) above and below the strings at the right hand postion to facilitate taps of the guitar body.
Classical guitars:
1. Higher action without buzz.
2. Generally rosewood backs and sides. More sustain and depth of tone.
3. Larger bodies to give deeper tone.
4. Most likely without tap plates.
Both use nylon strings though.
It's true that guitars can actually be made of many types of wood, even though cypress is uncommon for high end classicals. Even some flamenco guitars use rosewood sides and backs, sometimes even cedar for the tops, I think.
Thus, you need to look at all the specifications of the guitar and also to try it, only then will you find out. In fact, if someday you try a classical guitar that sounds flamenco enough, just fit on tap plates and play flamenco with it! No strict regulations. Especially recently since flamenco guitar makers have started to use rosewood to give the guitar more depth.
This is due to the development of solo flamenco guitar which requires much more tone than the traditional dance or song accompaniment role. Thus with cypress tops with tap plates and rosewoord backs/sides, you get a 'hybrid' flamenco guitar, called a negra flamenco guitar in this case.
For me, I shape my nails according to the curvature of my fingertips, ie. simple rounded shape. There are many ways and it's up to personal preference.
As for Juan Martin, I've heard that his stuff are great learning material. Check out his official site www.flamencovision.com
Cheston 
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Date Feb. 5 2005 2:37:11
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RE: Kinda new.. Kinda nervous.. Kind... (in reply to Black Fang)
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Hi Black Fang.
Welcome to the forum, and please feel free to be like anyone else.
I agree with most of what Skai sais. Just want to add that the biggest difference between a flamenco and a classical guitar is inside the box. But since you are a beginner, dont worry to much about wood etc. Get some tapplates installed on your guitar, because if not, you'll notice.
I think that in general, people here prefer the Graff-Martinez video/DVD or the Oscar Herrero video/dvd over the Juan Martín one. But maybe someone can come in with a more qualified reply on this subject.
Nice playing.
Anders
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Date Feb. 5 2005 7:35:52
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RE: Kinda new.. Kinda nervous.. Kind... (in reply to Skai)
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On a flamenco, the neck and bridge profile is very different.
The top is much closer to the strings on a flamenco.
My action is high, but its the low profile that allows easy tapping.
You get much better volume and projection from a higher action.
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Date Feb. 5 2005 7:53:01
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Skai
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RE: Kinda new.. Kinda nervous.. Kind... (in reply to Black Fang)
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Actually, I own a solid cedar top classical and yes, when I first started out, I created lots of craters on the top with my fingernails. But after playing for awhile, I realised that I can tap on it if I'm just careful. My mistake was to use extremely hard golpes which aren't required! Right now I've already gotten rid of my lousy flamenco guitar and I've to tap on my classical, no problems so far as I've learnt that golpes need not be so hard in the first place.
As for your case, is the C-70 a laminated top? As far as I know, laminated tops won't get damaged but control your golpes all the same. Hard golpes might damage guitars and don't sound good anyway. In fact, solid spruce seems extremely tough. I had a friend throw a hard pick around the room and hitting a spruce top guitar with an EXTREMELY loud thud, no damage at all too!
Just to add, Anders is one hell of a guitar maker, check out his site with photos and guitar specs. He even has recordings of himself playing the guitars. Amazing player and maker.
There are so many other great players here, just check the recording section. That category, however, doesn't include me but I hope to join it soon..  But check Toddk out, he found a way to play ALL the techniques in flamenco with a flatpick just when many thought it unusual and wouldn't have tried it. And the best part is, they're modified in a practical way that sounds exceptional.
Enjoy yourself here,
Cheston
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Date Feb. 6 2005 4:00:29
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flyeogh
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RE: Kinda new.. Kinda nervous.. Kind... (in reply to Black Fang)
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Adel, Hi again. Yes I thought your location might not be filled with herds of flamencos. On materials I had an interesting conversation with my teacher in Bristol on this. I started with no guitar experience. I have Juan Martin, Herrero, Merengue de Cordoba and a few others. I only went for those with DVD as I thought to be able to study the hand movements would be necessary (and it is). But all of these start with the assumption you know how to play. Yes they talk about position of every part of your body but by page four you are in deep. Most annoying is that even the initial exercises require a minimum on four or five techniques. Take Herrero, on page six we get percusiones simples p;im;pt,p,I and rasgueos con golpe and rasgueados sin pulgar. But that’s not all. The exercises require left hand playing techniques.
I made best progress through a book and CD on palmas. It gave the basic clapping rhythms. I guess you cannot get to sophisticated with the techniques of palmas; its all in the rhythm and the complexity of the palo. Then the guys here led me to free tabs that I could download and thus I had a range of stuff that stayed at the same level but offered me variety. If all else failed I used basic chords and three finger rasgueos and the basic palmas rhythms. I then dropped in and out of the various materials as I fancied. And still without my teacher I don't think I would have progressed far - but then maybe I'm not the best student (although I lack nothing in enthusiasm).
My guy in Bristol reckons that all the good material he has seen assumes you can play and as Escribano said the examples move up the complexity scale rapidly. One thought I wonder if it would be useful to use a teacher by means of exchanging recordings and notes over the internet? He might send you the tabs, a recording and some notes. You respond with your recording, notes on issues, fotos, web cam … I don’t know if it would work well but it sure could be better than getting disillusioned. Anyone any thoughts.
Nigel
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Date Feb. 7 2005 9:10:30
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Jon Boyes
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RE: Kinda new.. Kinda nervous.. Kind... (in reply to flyeogh)
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ORIGINAL: flyeogh
One thought I wonder if it would be useful to use a teacher by means of exchanging recordings and notes over the internet? He might send you the tabs, a recording and some notes. You respond with your recording, notes on issues, fotos, web cam … I don’t know if it would work well but it sure could be better than getting disillusioned. Anyone any thoughts.
Distance learning can be used like this in music and I have seen guitar courses in other styles taught this way. No reason why it couldn't work with flamenco.
The payoff for the student would not be as great as one-to-one lessons, but its definitely a step up from self tuition in terms of the guidabnce, feedback and so on. Obviously the usual applies ie I am assuming a competent teacher, a motivated student, etc.
It would involve a fair amout of time on the teachers side - filming all those techniques and examples, writing notes and feedback, all takes much longer than delivering it in a regular lesson, so it may work out expensive.
Black Fang: welcome to the forum. You might like to check out my review of the Graf Martinez DVDs in the resource area, I made a point of comparing it with Juan Martin's stuff as there are real differences. If you do opt for Juan Martin, get his original 3 video set (now published on DVD), and not the new DVD which is just a collection of graded solos.
Jon
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Date Feb. 7 2005 9:40:04
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why don't you start from beggining  .I have a O.Herrero vol.1 and vol.2 and I find them very useful.Don't worry O.H. explain everything slow, so you will understand all.
Try at...https://www.flamenco-world.com/tienda/shop.php?&op_shop=shop&id_cat=80
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Date Feb. 9 2005 9:47:57
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https://www.flamenco-world.com/tienda/shop.php?&op_shop=shop&id_cat=80
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Date Feb. 9 2005 10:03:27
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) but since im just a begginer and have no background wat-so-ever i believe it will do nicely... but im wondering now for future use, if i tap it without it having any golpeadors, would it damage my guitar?? and umm... how do u differentiate between different types of wood? 
i really like his playing and hes a very nice guy... 
cause some recommended it while others ddnt... maybe we can make a poll or something... i'd just like to know if you guys tried different videos and to compare them with each other... or what i would expect from each instuctional video... then i could probably be sure of what to order and know wat is best suited for a begginer with no background wat-so-ever... 
and currently im broke so im stuck with dial-up