Falsetas por Tientos

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Falsetas por Tientos

I'm looking for some good, maybe modern or trad falsetas for Tientos, Its a form I have never paid much attention to, as it doesent seem to work that well as a solo palo due to the compas restrictions, compared to other forms,like Buleria, I already have a good tremelo intro I knicked from,a Cante CD by a German Guitarist, all the falsetas I have ever heard for tientos sound boring, and instantly forgetable, by the way how does one count out a tientos.
Cheers
Dave
Billyboy

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jun. 16 2004 9:41:26

Ron.M

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RE: Falsetas por Tientos (in reply to Guest)

Dave,
Paco Peña does quite an entertaining solo Tientos/Tangos on his first album "The Incredible Paco Peña". Quite "punter pleasing" and "Spanishy" falsetas.
You may find it a bit boring though, if you're used to listening to Riqueni stuff!
It just uses straightforward traditional chords.
I don't know how you count Tientos, I just know how it goes.
I find that with some palos, it's easier just to pick up the rhythm rather than to try to count the stuff out.
The rhythm is very clear on the track I've mentioned.

cheers

Ron

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jun. 16 2004 11:37:18

Jim Opfer

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RE: Falsetas por Tientos (in reply to Ron.M)

Hi Ron,

A nice way to think of tientos compas is as follows:

...a one and two and a three, a one and two and a three.... where the 'two and' beats are emphasised.

Hope it makes sense

Cheers
Jim.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jun. 16 2004 13:06:16

Ron.M

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RE: Falsetas por Tientos (in reply to Jim Opfer)

Hi Jim,
I thought you would have counted thus:-
Up the Cel-tic, Oh Up the Celtic.. Up the Cel-tic....etc etc

Ron

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jun. 16 2004 14:07:44

Jim Opfer

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RE: Falsetas por Tientos (in reply to Ron.M)

Galas! Ron, pure dead brilliant!
Cant wait to count it out for my palmero (Rangers supporter)

Cheers
Jim

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jun. 16 2004 16:15:22

Billyboy

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RE: Falsetas por Tientos (in reply to Jim Opfer)

Yeh its a bit like fandangos, havent a clue how its counted but I know the rythem, well I think I do, I have the Toches Flamenco book somewhere by PPena, I think there is a tiemtpos on there
Dave

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jun. 17 2004 12:27:40

Jim Opfer

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RE: Falsetas por Tientos (in reply to Billyboy)

Dave,

It's counted in 4's and goes round 4 times, so one cycle of any traditional tune would normally be 16 beats.

The swing in the compas however, is the important thing to capture and that's as Ron very elequantly put it;

Up the Cel-tic, Oh Up the Celtic.. Up the Cel-tic....etc etc

Cheers
Jim.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jun. 17 2004 13:07:17

el ted

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RE: Falsetas por Tientos (in reply to Guest)

how do you describe the count of a tientos??? imagine a siguiriya at twice it's normal speed.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jun. 17 2004 13:27:52

Tenshu

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RE: Falsetas por Tientos (in reply to el ted)

quote:

how do you describe the count of a tientos??? imagine a siguiriya at twice it's normal speed.

Or a tango at half the speed

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jun. 17 2004 13:29:28

El Craic

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RE: Falsetas por Tientos (in reply to Guest)

There's a good basic accompaniment on the solo compas por tientos cd with arcángel singing and somebody whose name i forget at the moment dancing. Gives you reference for baile as well as cante if you need it. it's pretty useful. fergus gave me a copy last autumn. Or the manuel grandanos accompaniment book/cd for cante gives nice compas without the falsetas but good for getting your head into tientos. Maybe you want something more advanced but I think they are good for getting confidence with the compas and the structure.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 19 2004 11:57:09