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RE: Does over analising/intellectualizing kill flamenco?
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Exitao
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From: Vancouver, Canada
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RE: Does over analising/intellectual... (in reply to Ailsa)
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ORIGINAL: Stu I think technique needs loads of analysis! Are we talking about sex again? Oh no sorry, guitar Yes I agree it does. And I think that structure and compas benefit from SOME analysis. The question for me is: when does useful analysis become OVER analysis? How do you know when to stop? Maybe when it gets boring! All you 'young people' with your one-track minds. Anyway, like Norman said, it's subjective. You stop when it stops being interesting or you lose your passion or whatever it is that inspired you to start doesn't inspire you any more. I think that much of the Flamenco conversation, technical or analytical, in the foro comes from a love of Flamenco. When you love something (as opposed to a someone), you want to dream it, eat it, breathe it... True love is exactly like obsession, except without the negatives. Again, your love or passion and where it leads you is subjective and some people have natural propensities and different degrees of passion which will determine where these people focus and how intensely. Some people participate, not so much out of an interest, but simply because they want to commune with like-minded people. They are often the people who derail threads or feel we're over analysing, I'll wager. (Even though I've been guilty of that too, I might point out that we do have an off-topic sub-forum for sillier stuff.)
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Date Jan. 13 2009 10:01:09
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Doitsujin
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RE: Does over analising/intellectual... (in reply to Guest)
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Well, yesterday someone kept me on sykpe whom I didnt see for 2,5 years. He lost his job and needed money. Than he told me I owe him 300Euros. And he came up with some invented "deals" which we had in past. I mean which he thought we had. Than I saw my thread. I really tryed to start a serious thread with some questions which everybody here should interest. And what I saw, were the tallest beard and stupid picture-collection what I´ve ever saw here. And this thread here also fits in that topic, but this time without giftbags. So, coz of the person who tryed to get a lot of money from me, I was extremely nervous. And when I saw my try to start to be serious here (and many "Doit-like" answeres appeared, I got a bit angry. Thats the reason why 'I posted the beards and giftbags here. So, I calmed down. And wont go on with that bad style here ok.. quote:
Doit you got some nerve to complain...you are the most irrelevant guy here...known for giving one line irrelevant, sarcastic silly trying to be funny answers to most threads and most questions......this is what you do 80% of the time dude... Florian, I think its great you talk without "pussyfooting" as you wrote in past. Its nice to have it black on white to be the most irrelevant person in the foro. ;.) Man, I worked so hard to become him. Now I made it!
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Date Jan. 13 2009 12:04:16
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NormanKliman
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RE: Does over analising/intellectual... (in reply to Ailsa)
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Hi Ailsa, Fascinating subject you've brought up, about the appeal of music. People's reactions to intervals in pitch may be a more subjective matter (like humor) but I think that one's impression of intervals of time may be much more objective. If we simplify things to quarter notes, eighths, triplets and sixteenths (and quintuplets for flamenco), we're talking about a very limited range of possibilities, the perception of which, IMO, falls easily within the capacity of the average human being (whether or not he or she realizes it). So, I think that a very large part of the allure of music has to do with precise subdivisions of a steady beat because the absence of distractions frees the mind to engage in abstract thinking. It's like hearing someone speak with an odd accent: You spend so much time paying attention to the pronunciation that you're not able to concentrate on the message. In the case of music, distractions would be imprecise phrasing, but I once read in a book on carpentry that a well-built house makes people feel at ease because, on a subconcious level, you're always going to be distracted by poor workmanship (unaligned joints, dribble marks in the paint, etc.) It seems that some of life's most exciting moments involve knowing what's going to happen but not knowing how it's going to happen, and I think this is the case quite often in flamenco. I don't like defining what is and isn't flamenco, but I'd go so far as to say that a big part of flamenco involves coming up with a great ending and working backwards from there in order to present it. Sorry for running on like this, but I hope somebody else will have something to add (or disagree!), as I'm very interested in the subject.
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Date Jan. 16 2009 0:20:31
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Ricardo
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RE: Does over analising/intellectual... (in reply to Exitao)
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ORIGINAL: Exitao quote:
I mean would you over analyze sex? No - some is fine, but too much gets tedious. Better to just get on with it. Same with flamenco. The difference between Flamenco and sex, is that there's already a ton of theory and analysis of music. We invented music, sex invented us (unless you believe in Creation, but I refuse to discuss that here). I can't think of any abstract qualities for sex, unlike music and culture. Like the guitar there are many different techniques, positions, fingerings, cycles, form, structure and shape, but in the end, it is all about timing (rhythm) and feeling again. It can be about creating something, or just an exercise.... How about selling the "guitar grimore" and "Kama sutra" as a double pack deal?
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