Tarantos/Tarantas

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val

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From: London

Tarantos/Tarantas

This has come up a couple of times in the recent ....long debates .....
My understanding has always been that they were basically the same, but that one tended to be in compas and the other more freely played (I can never remember which way round this goes). Now I'm reading that some people think they are different forms and am now thoroughly confused. Can anyone shed any light? I appreciate there are different ideas out there and I'm not looking for arguements or character assassinations on this thread - just what people think, and why, is enough for me.

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Kate

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RE: Tarantos/Tarantas (in reply to val) 1 votes

This is an interesting article by John Moore
http://idiom.ucsd.edu/~moore/flamenco/tarantos.htm

And another by Juan Vergillos
http://www.flamenco-world.com/magazine/about/canteminas/canteminas.htm

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Ricardo

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RE: Tarantos/Tarantas (in reply to val) 1 votes

Well, basically fandangos forms. Much as you can have the same song form with hundreds of MELODIC variations (all the different fandangos naturales, Gloria, Caracol, Porrina, Farina, etc, each the same "song" but variated melodies), well you have the same type of thing with the cante's from Levante region. Taranto has some varients, and Taranta is usually more ornate. Minera slower. Cartagenera has that minor chord, fandango minero, etc etc, all more or less variations on the same song. But never the less, "different" or apart from one an other.

A single performance may mix these songs. Porrina mixed Taranto and Taranta in a single letra. So they have such a close commonality, it can be spitting hairs defining which is which. To make it worse, a singple performance that mixes say, Taranto, Taranta, and Cartagenera, may simpley get the title "taranta", leave some to believe that all those were varients of the same song. Same thing happens to Solea, and CAntiñas. malaguena and granaina often get mixed together, etc. So with only one title it can confuse aficionados.

Actual SINGERS are not confused. Guitarist's need not really need to know the difference so long as they can accompany. it is not so hard if the singer is GOOD.

The thing about TARANTO the baile, well, it is in compas. And often Taranto is used, but a singer can sing Taranta, minera, Cartagenera, fandango minero, etc, and often DO. And in many cases that is what the dancer wants, a nice mix to choreograph to. The compas is secondary and imposed on the song. That is fun, but makes it tough to accompany. Anyway, it all gets tucked under the nice umbrella "TARANTO", like a dancer might mix stuff in their "Soleares" or "Alegrias". Again, that labeling is not complete, and gives the false impression that perhaps a Cartagenera is a taranto.

Hope that makes sense.
Ricardo

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 11 2009 14:34:29

Estevan

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RE: Tarantos/Tarantas (in reply to Guest)

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The rajeo is mentioned in Italian treatises on Spanish guitar as early as 1610.

Kevin, I just tried to send you something about this, but your 'PM storage is full'. Time for a cleanup.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 11 2009 15:01:28

val

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From: London

RE: Tarantos/Tarantas (in reply to Kate)

Kate, Ricardo, Jacinto
Thanks for your input here. Some really helpful guidelines but understandably, as always, no definitive answer. It's interesting what you say Ricardo, that "actual SINGERS are not confused". They, of course, know best!

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 13 2009 3:09:27

runner

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RE: Tarantos/Tarantas (in reply to val)

One of the French composers much in love with Spain was Chabrier: "We make the rounds of the café concerts, where they sing the malagueñas, the soledas, the zapateados and the pateneras, then the dances, which are positively Arabian, that sums it up. If you could see them wriggling their behinds, twisting and squirming, I don't think you'd care to leave."

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 13 2009 6:42:05