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RE: need help indentifying a guitar (in reply to FrankieTheKid)
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hi frankie, i couldnt say what maker but it looks like it could be a good one. How is the sound, weight, action etc?
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Date Jan. 8 2009 0:16:20
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gj Michelob
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RE: need help indentifying a guitar (in reply to FrankieTheKid)
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Hi FranckieTheKid: The Images you provide need be clearer. However a few shorthand observations based on the available degree of clarity: (i) From the reflection, it appears it is a “lacquered” guitar (as opposed to a finer finish, such as French polish); (ii) The fret-board has [but I could be wrong] a reddish tone, suggesting it is rosewood (rather than the better choice, ebony); (iii) The Pegs, are not nicely finished, the tips are plain wood without the prettier and recurrent inlay decoration; These three aspects would suggest that it maybe a student, or economy model. One could also observe, but it is simply speculative in nature, that the label appears to have been deliberately removed. Perhaps someone did not want to show who made it and where. The rosette, reminds me a bit of the Francisco Navarro’s guitar (which I happen to cherish as a great practice instruments). On the opposite side, you have a little carving on the headstock, which I have not seen, of recently, not a very complex woodwork, nonetheless original and distinctive. The head "crown" does not fit any of the guitars i obsessivelly enjoy reviewing on the various sites... but some makers change those often, particularly on instruments not representative of their work. I could be completely wrong. But my take is that this is a student model blanca. Finally the 1st and 6th string should be restrung to turn clockwise, and opposite the other strings.
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Date Jan. 8 2009 6:07:36
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gj Michelob
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RE: need help indentifying a guitar (in reply to TANúñez)
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In my opinion, rosewood is a better fingerboard than ebony. Rosewood is more stable. However, everyone wants a black fingerboard. This is just my opinion. I know this is also a personal preference. I'm constantly researching better alternative woods for fingerboards. Hi Tom: we are all so influenced by standardized industry choices, and much of what we perceive is quite subjective and only in our mind. However, my humble appreciation concerning the choice of Ebony for the fretboard is its known and proven durability, unlike Rosewood, slightly "softer" and therefore more prone to wear. I too like the looks and the feeling (again this could be only in my mind) of the Rosewood fingerboard, and like to think it is kinder to my left hand. However, that choice of wood for the fret board is customarily associated with "cheaper" instruments (wouldn't you agree?) As to the Laquer v. Franch.... i made several clear disclaimers, however, it seems quite and perhaps excessively shiny. Lighting, angle, picture, spiritual glow, each could explain it.
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Date Jan. 8 2009 8:47:03
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RE: need help indentifying a guitar (in reply to gj Michelob)
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Hi Tom: we are all so influenced by standardized industry choices, and much of what we perceive is quite subjective and only in our mind. However, my humble appreciation concerning the choice of Ebony for the fretboard is its known and proven durability, unlike Rosewood, slightly "softer" and therefore more prone to wear. I too like the looks and the feeling (again this could be only in my mind) of the Rosewood fingerboard, and like to think it is kinder to my left hand. However, that choice of wood for the fret board is customarily associated with "cheaper" instruments (wouldn't you agree?) As to the Laquer v. Franch.... i made several clear disclaimers, however, it seems quite and perhaps excessively shiny. Lighting, angle, picture, spiritual glow, each could explain it. Yes, I agree, it's found a lot on cheaper student models. I like rosewood because it seems to be more stable during changes in climate. I'm speaking with experience from my own guitars. A lot of guitars I've had with ebony fingerboards shrink during the winter months and the fret ends poke out. Any rosewood fingerboard I have had has never done that. I have since started humidifying my cases and it has resolved the problem.
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Date Jan. 8 2009 9:46:26
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RE: need help indentifying a guitar (in reply to gj Michelob)
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ORIGINAL: gj Michelob I do not believe this is a large manufacturer's instrument. the "feel" is more that of a second or student line, by some small luthier's shop. How aged is the instrument? Yes "blanca" describes the blonde choice of wood for back and sides, Cypress. Purple lines are on the label of J. Ramirez' student models. but this does not seem one of its. i was trying to find a tactful way to say that, during the era of the tubes and blue oyster cult, why would a company mass produce a flamenco guitar? it wasn't among the more popular styles of the day ;) so i'll agree with you on it probably not being put out by one of the large manufacturers. as far as how aged it is?? i guessed earlier in the thread at about 1975... but that's just a guess. i bought the guitar sometime between 1976 and 1979. it looked relatively new when i bought it, one small ding in the soundboard, and very little, if any wear on the fingerboard. if you meant "how has it aged?", i'd have to say, very nicely. it's the oldest guitar i own, and it's still in excellent condition. it wasn't "purple lines" on the remaining corner of the label, the paper was purple, and there's a tiny bit of a black line on it, probably a piece of a border stripe. not that i'm going to sell it, but i'm still wondering about a ballpark of what it might be worth, even if it were a second or student model... which it probably is. any of you guys using purple labels???
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Date Jan. 8 2009 15:54:14
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gj Michelob
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RE: need help indentifying a guitar (in reply to FrankieTheKid)
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Whoever made this guitar did so "after" Pedro de Miguel" (PDM), or else the maker of your guitar and PDM both took inspiration from a common ground. The headstock outline is quite similar. I reviewed about 60 different makers (while soaking my left hand in hot water to heal my index) and PDM, and only PDM, shared the same sihloutte with FrankieTheKid's guitar. The rosette too, although not identical has certain lines and patterns which resembles closely PDM I too, as does Tom, felt originally that this could be a Mexican made, as it reminded me of the Francisco Navarro's collection (perhaps he could enlighten us, Tom?). I would vote for: Mexican made, inspired by or "after" PDM. Cedar Top(?) This was fun, thank you Frankie and Tom.
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Date Jan. 8 2009 19:09:28
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