Foro Flamenco
Posts Since Last Visit | Advanced Search | Home | Register | Login

Today's Posts | Inbox | Profile | Our Rules | Contact Admin | Log Out



Welcome to one of the most active flamenco sites on the Internet. Guests can read most posts but if you want to participate click here to register.
This site is dedicated to the memory of Paco de Lucía, Ron Mitchell, Guy Williams, Linda Elvir, Philip John Lee and Craig Eros who went ahead of us too soon.
We receive 12,200 visitors a month from 200 countries and 1.7 million page impressions a year. To advertise on this site please contact us.





check out my ebay bargain! Horst Lederer???   You are logged in as Guest
Users viewing this topic: none
  Printable Version
All Forums >>Discussions >>Lutherie >> Page: [1]
Login
Message<< Newer Topic  Older Topic >>
Guest

check out my ebay bargain! Horst Led... 

What you guys make of this? I bought it on ebay for 570AU that about 387US or 278EU. Its a guitar supposedly built in the 60's by Horst Lederer, a german luthier who the seller beleives studied directly under some famous german luthier of the time. It plays and feels like a luthier instrument and not factory.

It was sold as a flamenco negra but i beleive it is a classical. Its sound is usable for flamenco though, as it doesnt have really heavy resonant bass. It plays really evenly up the neck and the bass and treble are very well balanced. I do not regret buying it for a second. The seller wrote that the guy he bought it from swore it was solid brazilian rosewood and solid spruce top. I installed a mic in it as i bought it as a gig guitar, and it is indeed solid wood (i drilled into it to put in a jack).

Im no expert on identifing woods though so i cant say if it is brazilian rosewood or not...maybe someone here can tell me? Im not sure how they dated it to the sixties because there is no date, maybe the 'made in G.D.R' is how they dated it?

It has had many cracks repaired but is solid and playes well, the sound is quite nice as the wood appears to be very well aged. The top has unusual looking dark marks all over it, im not sure what they are, does anyone know or have you seen similar markings on spruce like this? Theres not much info around on Horst Lederer, anyone heard of him?

thanks in advance for any info,
dom



Images are resized automatically to a maximum width of 800px

Attachment (1)
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Dec. 20 2008 18:28:38
Guest

RE: check out my ebay bargain! Horst... (in reply to Guest

.



Images are resized automatically to a maximum width of 800px

Attachment (1)
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Dec. 20 2008 18:30:41
Guest

RE: check out my ebay bargain! Horst... (in reply to Guest

.



Images are resized automatically to a maximum width of 800px

Attachment (1)
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Dec. 20 2008 18:31:56
Guest

RE: check out my ebay bargain! Horst... (in reply to Guest

.



Images are resized automatically to a maximum width of 800px

Attachment (1)
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Dec. 20 2008 18:33:04
Guest

RE: check out my ebay bargain! Horst... (in reply to Guest

.



Images are resized automatically to a maximum width of 800px

Attachment (1)
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Dec. 20 2008 18:34:11
Guest

RE: check out my ebay bargain! Horst... (in reply to Guest

rubner tuners with ebony buttons!



Images are resized automatically to a maximum width of 800px

Attachment (1)
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Dec. 20 2008 18:36:14
Guest

RE: check out my ebay bargain! Horst... (in reply to Guest

.



Images are resized automatically to a maximum width of 800px

Attachment (1)
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Dec. 20 2008 18:37:33
 
edguerin

Posts: 1558
Joined: Dec. 24 2007
From: Siegburg, Alemania

RE: check out my ebay bargain! Horst... (in reply to Guest

Have you tried looking inside with a mirror?
The Marktneukirchen luthiers often had/have small labels on the underside of the top

_____________________________

Ed

El aficionado solitario
Alemania
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Dec. 20 2008 22:59:30
 
Anders Eliasson

Posts: 5780
Joined: Oct. 18 2006
 

RE: check out my ebay bargain! Horst... (in reply to Guest

To me it looks like east indian rosewood. But thats not bad either.

How is it build. East German (DDR) instruments were often a bit on the heavy side. But the tradition in Marktneukirchen ia very old and some very fine Violins were made there some 150 years ago during the big violin boom when symphony orchestras grew very big.

_____________________________

Blog: http://news-from-the-workshop.blogspot.com/
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Dec. 21 2008 0:07:27
 
Georg

Posts: 405
Joined: Feb. 5 2006
From: Germany

RE: check out my ebay bargain! Horst... (in reply to Guest

Doing a short Google search, I found that there is still a luthier in Marktneukirchen called Horst Peter Lederer. Maybe you could get into contact with him.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Dec. 21 2008 0:42:31
 
jshelton5040

Posts: 1500
Joined: Jan. 17 2005
 

RE: check out my ebay bargain! Horst... (in reply to Anders Eliasson

quote:

ORIGINAL: Anders Eliasson

To me it looks like east indian rosewood. But thats not bad either.


You may be right Anders but the color and grain looks more like Pao Ferro to me which is also not bad.

_____________________________

John Shelton - www.sheltonfarrettaguitars.com
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Dec. 21 2008 7:10:01
 
kovachian

Posts: 506
Joined: Jan. 30 2008
From: Americanistan

RE: check out my ebay bargain! Horst... (in reply to Guest

What's up with that black bar over the label? Is that some kind of structural brace?

_____________________________

Don't look at me in that tone of voice.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Dec. 21 2008 7:57:00
 
Arash

Posts: 4409
Joined: Aug. 9 2006
From: Iran (living in Germany)

RE: check out my ebay bargain! Horst... (in reply to Guest

Dont know anything about this guitar and the luthier but in this wikipedia article, his name is mentioned together with herman hauser , Hopf, etc. as the most famous german builders.

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gitarrenbauer

(last sentence)

_____________________________

  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Dec. 21 2008 11:44:52
Guest

RE: check out my ebay bargain! Horst... (in reply to Arash

well that just made me feel even better about the guitar thanks Arash, i hope he is as good as those other makers. The name doesnt matter though really, its how it plays and sounds that counts i guess.
quote:

Have you tried looking inside with a mirror?
good idea i dont have a mirror but i can stick my phone in there and take photos.
quote:

But the tradition in Marktneukirchen ia very old and some very fine
well this just keeps getting better and better, thank anders it is on the heavy side, but i guess that good in one way because if it was a lighter build i dont think it would have survived all the cracks it has sustained.
quote:

What's up with that black bar over the label?
thats the gooseneck of the mic i installed (miniflex mic) it hangs in there suspened from the gooseneck, so all you do is drill in the botttom of the guitar and stick it in there and find a good spot to point the mic, you can get a descent sound and theyre cheap!
http://www.stewmac.com/shop/Electronics,_pickups/Pickups:_Guitar,_Acoustic/GHS_Acoustic_Soundhole_Microphone.html

heres a short artcle on soundhole micing where the miniflex is mentioned and recomeneded by an american flamenco guitarist, Roberto Castellon Jr.

"Actually a mic inside the guitar can sound fantastic as long as you EQ out the mids that build up inside the guitar body. Viejin, Ramon Jimenez and Jesus de Rosario all have used a lavalier inside the guitar (Sennheiser MKE 40 or ME140) mids around 500hz and 2khz usually need to be attenuated heavily. A high pass filter is usally necessary as well, but the sound can be very loud in close proximity to monitors. One of my guitar students was formerly FOH engineer touring with Antonio Canales and Sara Baras, so this is coming from real life practical situations. He would use the internal mic for monitors and also a KM184 blended with the internal mic in FOH to get a natural guitar sound with enough detail to cut through palmas and footwork etc.... I have found the internal mic with clever surgical EQ can work great alone and provide enough gain before feedback to play with even heavy handed drummers. Internal mics can work, but it takes some skill as an engineer. I have used the MiniFlex mics and they work well for this application without damaging the guitar. Roberto Castellon Jr. used to rave about the MiniFlex mics. On a cheap mackie mixer turn the mid knob down all of the way (2khz) and engage the low cut (75hz) add some reverb and you should get a very detailed and useable sound.

thanks for the help guys, im feeling good about my modest investment
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Dec. 21 2008 14:52:22
Page:   [1]
All Forums >>Discussions >>Lutherie >> Page: [1]
Jump to:

New Messages No New Messages
Hot Topic w/ New Messages Hot Topic w/o New Messages
Locked w/ New Messages Locked w/o New Messages
 Post New Thread
 Reply to Message
 Post New Poll
 Submit Vote
 Delete My Own Post
 Delete My Own Thread
 Rate Posts


Forum Software powered by ASP Playground Advanced Edition 2.0.5
Copyright © 2000 - 2003 ASPPlayground.NET

0.0625 secs.