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Sarkin

 

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Where to start(Bulerias)? 

Hello!
I need a PDL's piece or some advanced bulerias(not very) where I can start to learn this form.
I learned some PDL's falsetas and make my own bulerias but I need some full piece that's good to start with can you recommend some?
And the Rondena is Doblan Companas a good start point?

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RE: Where to start(Bulerias)? (in reply to Sarkin

Sarkin,
My main advice would be to forget about falsetas just for now...
Just do rhythm, rhythm, rhythm...

And listen a lot to Flamenco accomp stuff, especially singing...

That's all...

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RE: Where to start(Bulerias)? (in reply to XXX

I agree with the above suggestion about listen to recordings of guitar accompanying singers. Its important to get the feel right. At the same time I would suggest studying Moraito's recordings and in particular the piece "Comparito Gabriel".

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RE: Where to start(Bulerias)? (in reply to JasonMcGuire

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I would suggest studying Moraito's recordings and in particular the piece "Comparito Gabriel".


hi jason, i'm curious, why that buleria particularly, and not, say "Buleriando"? is there something special in "Comparito Gabriel"?
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RE: Where to start(Bulerias)? (in reply to Sarkin

Hi Sarkin,

You can put together the beginning and end of this falseta to make a basic rhythm, like the other guys are suggesting. It's a Paco Cepero falseta that I posted at about the same time as the hijacking of this site a few months ago; don't know if it got lost in the shuffle.

If you learn about 10-15 short ideas (to get from 1-3, to close on 10 and a few ways to carry entire compases), you'll have plenty of combinations to keep yourself interested while you play basic rhythm.

For bulerías, Jerez: Morao, Parrilla, Cepero... Manuel Morao has some amazing falsetas. (And basic rhythm, but it's fast!).

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RE: Where to start(Bulerias)? (in reply to Sarkin

For me playing along with the juerga-live recording of tomatito on "paseo de los castanos" (last track) worked extremely good for getting the groove and some nice variations. Everyone who is interested in good buleria groove should check this out, and of course moraito, Juan Carlos Romero, Nino Josele.. etc.
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RE: Where to start(Bulerias)? (in reply to mark indigo

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ORIGINAL: mark indigo

hi jason, i'm curious, why that buleria particularly, and not, say "Buleriando"? is there something special in "Comparito Gabriel"?


I have taught it to students who were frustrated understanding bulerias before and it cleared things up for them. I think Moraito's stuff in general is very accessible and a great study. Any of his bulerias in the "por medio" key would be good. Norman's suggestion of Morao, Parrilla and Cepero is good advice too.

Not learning entire pieces as recorded is a great way of learning bulerias. Mix and match. Be creative.

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RE: Where to start(Bulerias)? (in reply to JasonMcGuire

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Norman's suggestion of Morao, Parrilla and Cepero is good advice too.

Hi guys,

That was also Ricardo's advice a few months ago. Don't mean to speak on your behalf here, Ricardo, but I remember you posted something about Jerez (Morao and Parrilla) as a good source for bulerías basics.

A few years ago, I was playing a lot of different stuff in bulerías, but for a little over a year or so, all I've been playing is Manuel Morao, and man did that guy swing!!! A few really challenging falsetas, too, when played up to speed (with Terremoto, for example), and some of that stuff is from the late 50s (!) if I'm not mistaken. It seems to me that Jerez bulerías are usually a little faster than other regional styles. Sometimes you hear really fast bulerías from other regions, too (Seville, Morón, Madrid...), so maybe the best way to say it is that Jerez almost never slows down por bulerías.

It's important to bear in mind because not all ideas work at all speeds.

BTW, Jason, that was some great playing on that granaína video with Antonio Malena!

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Norman

Thats a very nice Cepero falseta. Thanks. exactly my style. And highly recommendable for studying bulerias. Also, pick up the Parilla falseta that Ricardo posted on Flamenco-teacher.com Its in the lessons section and its free and absolutely awesome.

I agree that M. Morao is one of the greatest. When studying playing with cante, I always look for some recordings where he plays. Its always right on and relatively easy to follow. Not to many passing chords and a very strong compás
Bulerias with La Perla (¡¡¡¡Que buena!!!!) and Morao


And I know this is off topic, but listen to this wonderfull solea with Mairena and Morao. I like Mairenas singing a lot more when he is with Morao than when he sings with Melchor de Marchena.


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RE: Where to start(Bulerias)? (in reply to Anders Eliasson

Hi Anders,
quote:

Also, pick up the Parilla falseta that Ricardo posted on Flamenco-teacher.com

Excellent all around, IMO: audio, video, overall appearance, the transcription... Hats off to you, Ricardo!

The Morao video was very good. Mairena seemed well focused, really getting the weight behind the words, and both La Perla and Morao are doing some of the ideas heard on the recording they made. It's great to have a chance to watch them do that! Here's another video, this one really surprised me. Notice Aurelio's reaction when Morao extends the falseta.


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RE: Where to start(Bulerias)? (in reply to NormanKliman

Thanks for the replies.
But what about the Rondena?
And does anyone have the tabs of the pieces above?

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Nov. 27 2008 3:04:26
 
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RE: Where to start(Bulerias)? (in reply to Sarkin

Both the Cepero falseta and Ricardos Parilla falseta are tabbed. Use them they are great. For the rest, the best is to watch videos and listen to CD. And play with them.

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RE: Where to start(Bulerias)? (in reply to Sarkin

Norman. That alegria is a beauty. Aurelio sings it wonderfully, not overdoing anything just pure alegria.
Another fine example of the precission, compás and knowing where to be of Manuel Morao

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RE: Where to start(Bulerias)? (in reply to Sarkin

quote:

ORIGINAL: Sarkin

Thanks for the replies.
But what about the Rondena?
And does anyone have the tabs of the pieces above?


That piece is a classic, and lots of good stuff there to study. There is a video of the entire piece in black and white from Rito y Geografia. Alain Faucher has the tabs for that but you have to email him and ask.


The funny thing about Morao and Parrilla, is they do the chords for the 2nd line of cante in Solea and Bulerias, BACKWARDS. THey always go F major to C7. I don't really get that, but I recommend it is safer to copy Cepero and Moraito in that respect. But I love their rhythmic style anyway.

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RE: Where to start(Bulerias)? (in reply to JasonMcGuire

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quote:

ORIGINAL: mark indigo

hi jason, i'm curious, why that buleria particularly, and not, say "Buleriando"? is there something special in "Comparito Gabriel"?


I have taught it to students who were frustrated understanding bulerias before and it cleared things up for them. I think Moraito's stuff in general is very accessible and a great study. Any of his bulerias in the "por medio" key would be good. Norman's suggestion of Morao, Parrilla and Cepero is good advice too.

Not learning entire pieces as recorded is a great way of learning bulerias. Mix and match. Be creative.


um.... yeah.... i play bits of moraito, tomatito, gerardo, pepe habichuela etc., some falsetas i don't know who they are by, and some stuff i made up....

sometimes i learn "entire pieces" often 'cos i start with one falseta and keep going.... i usually take them to bits and use what i want when i want anyway....

i learnt the moraito encuentro por medio buleria a while back, i think some of it is recorded as "buleriando" on morao y oro and some as "comparito gabriel" on morao morao, but haven't checked the cd's in detail lately....

seeing as you were recommending a specific piece i was just wondering why particularly that one.... is it 'cos it's easier for your students and more rhythmic than "buleriando" maybe? or easier to take apart and use as separate falsetas?
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RE: Where to start(Bulerias)? (in reply to mark indigo

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is it 'cos it's easier for your students and more rhythmic than "buleriando" maybe? or easier to take apart and use as separate falsetas?


It was the first Moraito recording that popped up in my iTunes that was a bulerias one day when I was at my wits end with a student who just couldn't get bulerias right. It worked and I taught it to many other students after. Having the recording to constantly compare to seemed to help them. One thing I like about the opening falseta is that it has a lot of pauses that force a student to pay attention. Many students have come in to me asking how to do more with compas and bulerias playing in general. They are bored of the same few things they have learned. Everytime I have heard this from a student, what I find to really be the issue is that they don't leave any space in the compas. They fill every beat, every contratiempo. When you play this way, it eliminates many great possibilities of things to do and different directions to go. It is also more difficult because you have to really know compas well to leave spaces without it throwing you off. I think that had something to do with my initial choice for students.

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RE: Where to start(Bulerias)? (in reply to Ricardo

But what's his e-mail?
Thanks for the replies.

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It was the first Moraito recording that popped up in my iTunes...


thanks jason, that's interesting, i have a few falsetas i play with unusual (to me) spaces in the compas, and it's easy for them to drift out of compas if i don't keep up with practising them very regularly, so maybe that's something i need to work on a bit more.... i will listen to the track again bearing in mind what you have said, and listen out for spaces!
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They fill every beat, every contratiempo. When you play this way, it eliminates many great possibilities of things to do and different directions to go. It is also more difficult because you have to really know compas well to leave spaces without it throwing you off.


Thats a very good point. A lot of musicality is in the pauses (all music styles) I will go and play some bulerias with special atention to pauses

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RE: Where to start(Bulerias)? (in reply to Sarkin

Here's a decent place to start Bulerias, as well as Tangos, Rondena, alzapua. He gives some pretty good ideas. Here's one with a Cadiz falseta.



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