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Estevan

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Parallel worlds 

There's obviously an interest in theoretical physics and cosmology around here...
quote:

MrMagenta: "it's causing a disruption in the quantum wave function."
Dominic: " lets discuss string theory"
Ramparts: "supermassive black holes at the center of active galactic nuclei" etc.
...and I recall that Ricardo and a couple of others are into the really mind-grinding aspects of it.


Here's a recent article that mentions an interesting theory:

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Everett's theory gave rise to the concept of a multitude of universes, or a "multiverse", where all life's possibilities play out. It means that somewhere Elvis is still rocking, the Nazis won the second world war and England qualified for Euro 2008.
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This means that somewhere out there each one of us plays better than Paco or Gerardo. And I'm married to Montse Cortes and Cate Blanchett.

Tape shows how physicist predicted parallel worlds

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Dec. 7 2007 20:27:11
 
Escribano

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RE: Parallel worlds (in reply to Estevan

I sure hope my hero, Feynmann is still out there somewhere, practising his bongos

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Dec. 8 2007 0:09:39
 
Estevan

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RE: Parallel worlds (in reply to Escribano

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I sure hope my hero, Feynmann is still out there somewhere, practising his bongos

...and promoting Tuvan culture! Yeah I'm sure he is.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Dec. 8 2007 0:15:50
 
Ailsa

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RE: Parallel worlds (in reply to Estevan

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ORIGINAL: Estevan
I'm married to Montse Cortes and Cate Blanchett.


Well that's your fantasy and it's free - no-one can take that from you. However although they are both very beautiful (and talented some women just make you sick) I must point out that they are both too young for you.

On second thoughts, that's ageist. Whatever makes you happy!

EDIT: ok, gotta stop making daft posts and go do some practice
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Dec. 8 2007 0:19:56
 
Estevan

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RE: Parallel worlds (in reply to Ailsa

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Well that's your fantasy

No, no, it's science; it's true in some other dimension, the scientist said so. Well, sort of.

quote:

they are both very beautiful (and talented some women just make you sick)

Well they don't make me sick, obviously; in fact I rather like them.
Hang on...does this mean you make yourself sick? That wouldn't be a suitable role model for our sobrino.

quote:

Whatever makes you happy!
ok, gotta stop making daft posts and go do some practice

Your daft posts make me happy - but practice is even better.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Dec. 8 2007 0:46:25
 
Ricardo

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RE: Parallel worlds (in reply to Estevan

Saddly, whether proven "true" or not mathematiclly, it does not really matter what happens in any universe other than ours. If it did, what are the effects? I mean Elvis is alive and well in another universe, how does that effect ours?
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ToddK

 

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RE: Parallel worlds (in reply to Ricardo

quote:

Elvis is alive and well in another universe, how does that effect ours?

You're right, it doesnt affect us at all.

Ladies and Gentlemen, Elvis has left the universe!

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Dec. 11 2007 5:24:46
 
Estevan

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RE: Parallel worlds (in reply to ToddK

quote:

quote:

Elvis is alive and well in another universe, how does that effect ours?


You're right, it doesnt affect us at all.

Ladies and Gentlemen, Elvis has left the universe!


Hmmm...I hadn't noticed!

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Dec. 11 2007 8:23:34
 
Jan Willem

 

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RE: Parallel worlds (in reply to Estevan

Hi, actually I'm very interested in this subject. Can someone recommend a good book about it?

This is a link of a little movie where they explain 1 -> 10 dimensions. Maybe you guys are interested, if not just ignore me:-)
http://www.dumpalink.com/videos/Imagining_the_tenth_dimension-ch06.html

JW
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Dec. 11 2007 21:45:51
 
cneberg

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RE: Parallel worlds (in reply to Estevan

I'm crazy about cosmology. I've read a lot of this so called "popular science literature".

I'm fascinated by the string theory (I don't mean HemeolaMan's ) in terms of how abstract this thing is and how hard it is to understand it (not just for a regular John).
I mean If I believe in this pure theoretical/mathematical ****, then I can as easily believe some indian sri or japanese zen master, when they talk about universal truths which are beyond our usual perceptions (I wish I could express myself better in english). After all, math is just our sistem, developed by us-people.

Still, it's fascinating.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Dec. 11 2007 22:24:09
 
cneberg

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RE: Parallel worlds (in reply to Ailsa

quote:

EDIT: ok, gotta stop making daft posts and go do some practice


Don't worry Ailsa, you can post nonsense, as long as you don't lurk. Oh my god, that would be horrible, horrible!!!

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Dec. 11 2007 22:27:11
 
John O.

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RE: Parallel worlds (in reply to Jan Willem

As far as theories go - until anything is disproven it can exist as a theory.

I assume that this means there exist an infinite number of universes, constantly growing - meaning just by existing and making decisions we cause universes to be created. Where does all that energy required come from? An infinite number of universes must be being created every millisecond! Can't disprove it though. Is this why every year it gets harder and more painful for me to wake up in the morning? And I wonder how this all fits into calculus theory...

My theory is that everyone in all parallel universes is bloated and gassy. It shall remain a theory until disproven.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Dec. 11 2007 22:38:58
 
John O.

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RE: Parallel worlds (in reply to cneberg

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not just for a regular John


Was that an insult ?

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Dec. 11 2007 22:39:58
 
cneberg

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RE: Parallel worlds (in reply to John O.

quote:

Was that an insult ?


No man, you know you're not regular. You're special!......Special John?? Damn, that doesn't sound good either!

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Hugh

 

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RE: Parallel worlds (in reply to cneberg

quote:

EDIT: ok, gotta stop making daft posts and go do some practice



Don't worry Ailsa, you can post nonsense, as long as you don't lurk. Oh my god, that would be horrible, horrible!!!


Or be gay
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Dec. 11 2007 22:49:27
 
John O.

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RE: Parallel worlds (in reply to cneberg

SPECIAL JOHN!


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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Dec. 11 2007 22:49:37
 
hamia

 

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RE: Parallel worlds (in reply to John O.

A mathematical theory has got no basis in reality unless backed up by observable evidence. And even then it may still be proved wrong. Physics journals are full of crazy theories - valid maths perhaps but most of them pure speculation in terms of physics.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Dec. 12 2007 0:34:12
 
John O.

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RE: Parallel worlds (in reply to hamia

True, statistics can get weird though. Do you know the theory about choosing between opening one of three closed doors, behind which only one has a prize?

Your chances of getting the right one are 33%. If you choose one and after that they show you one of the incorrect doors you will improve your chances of getting the right one to 50% if you change your answer.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Dec. 12 2007 0:48:14
 
guitarbuddha

 

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RE: Parallel worlds (in reply to hamia

Theories have to be supported by evidence. Propositions or postulates do not. This discussion is not about theories in the scientific sense.

Probabilites can be divergent which means that in a sense there are digressions(from the reality of our universe ) that can be imagined but would never come to pass even after an infinite amount of tries.

Journalists and science fiction writers and maths undergraduates perpetuate their own simplistic understanding of probability and we foolishly blame the obvious contradictions and impossibilites on real scientists and mathematicians.

Surely it may be possible that we understood these subjects less well than those who have dedicated their lives to them do ?
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Dec. 12 2007 0:52:35
 
guitarbuddha

 

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RE: Parallel worlds (in reply to John O.

Classic bunkum John . So attractive as a story that it perpetuates itself despite being hogwash.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Dec. 12 2007 0:54:52
 
John O.

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RE: Parallel worlds (in reply to guitarbuddha

I've heard a number of stories like that, I love 'em I also heard something about the theory of relativity not being true because where a spaceship seems to be moving more slowly from Earth's view, the Earth also seems to moving more slowly from the spaceship's view, so it can't be true. Now why didn't Einstein think of that!?!?!?

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Dec. 12 2007 1:44:53
 
guitarbuddha

 

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RE: Parallel worlds (in reply to John O.

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ORIGINAL: John O.

I've heard a number of stories like that, I love 'em I also heard something about the theory of relativity not being true because where a spaceship seems to be moving more slowly from Earth's view, the Earth also seems to moving more slowly from the spaceship's view, so it can't be true. Now why didn't Einstein think of that!?!?!?


As I am sure you know John the more appropriate questions are 'how come Einstein saw through that so easily ?' and ' why can't I'.

D.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Dec. 12 2007 2:38:40
 
cneberg

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RE: Parallel worlds (in reply to guitarbuddha

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guitarbuddha
Surely it may be possible that we understood these subjects less well than those who have dedicated their lives to them do ?

As I am sure you know John the more appropriate questions are 'how come Einstein saw through that so easily ?' and ' why can't I'.


I can see where are you heading with this, but that's really not the case ("extraordinary John" probably agrees).

*tried to type a desired answer in english, but gave up... Every single word in this kind of discussions is important*

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Dec. 12 2007 9:16:35
 
mrMagenta

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RE: Parallel worlds (in reply to Estevan

the quantum multiverse feels a bit improbable in its excessiveness (it accounts for the parallel universes, add to that the other levels of hypothesized multiverses). but then again, i would take guitarbuddhas position in this, and examine more closely why cosmologists find it plausible. they're usually not dimwits. these things are perplexing, we are animals evolved around classical, tangible physics and the quantum stuff seems very non-intuitive to us. I would venture to say we are biased as to what we feel is probable.

perhaps the huge particle accellerators that are built in europe will shed some light on how things work.. i'm eager to learn if they'll find the higgs bozon for one thing.
just hope they won't accidentally create a rift in the time and space continuum that swallows us whole and ends all of culture and life as we know it
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wiglebot

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RE: Parallel worlds (in reply to Estevan

You can disprove a theory like the muti-dimensional theory by proving the threshold that mathematical models prove this universe and its interactions.
The theory of relativity can be proven to be true, but jumping ahead...

String theory reached many conclusions by applying the same equations, then they called it super-string theory, then swept up the 5 results with M-Theory.

Was there a point at which these theories went completely mathematical and lost touch with what exist and what is reality based on physics.

Folding space can just be the theory of Relativity. IF I go the seed of light, time will stand still for me from your perspective. I slow down and you think I folded space. Also do the current physical laws of nature expand with the universe. There could be other set of physics in other universe or even dimensions.

I was going to pursue the threshold theory but I started working on sound wave research by playing the guitar -- I am currently still working on jamming, Flamenco, and hangin with my buds....
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