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Arash

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RE: Buleria Video from Eduardo Trassiera (in reply to Arash

an artist....
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RE: Buleria Video from Eduardo Trassiera (in reply to Arash

He was great thanks, I had not heard him before.
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Ron.M

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RE: Buleria Video from Eduardo Trassiera (in reply to Arash

He's got a good guitar technique...but too many unnecessary notes IMO.
Guitar diarrhorea... if you're an Old School fan like myself...

The guy's gonna have a heart attack before he's 40 if he keeps that up!

cheers,

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RE: Buleria Video from Eduardo Trassiera (in reply to Ricardo

For Guitar diarrhorea fans
i recommend the DVD video XXIII Certamen de guitarra flamenca en Jerez
there are 6 great guitarist, and between these there is trassierra



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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Sep. 13 2007 21:19:07
 
Arash

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RE: Buleria Video from Eduardo Trassiera (in reply to Arash

i second that.
Also you can see Guitarists like Antonio Rey and Santiago Lara in this DVD.

BTW, Santiago Lara has a new solo CD out and there is one Bulerias in it which is really hauting!
I am hearing it over and over again since 2 days

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Arash

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RE: Buleria Video from Eduardo Trassiera (in reply to Arash

Here is the direct link to a part (1.30 mins) of this amazing Bulerias:

https://www.flamenco-world.com/tienda/files/song_4529.rm

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Ron.M

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RE: Buleria Video from Eduardo Trassiera (in reply to Franchiquito

Sounds sh*t hot!!

Sorry Franchiquito....I'll get my coat...!

cheers,

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Sep. 13 2007 21:28:50
 
Franchiquito

 

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RE: Buleria Video from Eduardo Trassiera (in reply to Arash

quote:

BTW, Santiago Lara has a new solo CD out and there is one Bulerias in it which is really hauting!
I am hearing it over and over again since 2 days


i agree this bulerias is very hot, the same happened to me!

also the alegrias it very very interesting there are some great ideas



@Ron :
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Franchiquito....I'll get my coat...!

I'm not a dihoarrea fan, but virtuosity attracts me in some manner.
Only to give you and idea: today the only thing i've listened to is a buleria accompaignment on tomatito cd, three chords....but played very very well


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Arash

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RE: Buleria Video from Eduardo Trassiera (in reply to Arash

Now that we are talking about this DVD, here is one video of Antonio Rey ( The Winner ).
I think this is the only video on youtube (and i think this was posted already in the foro)
But for those who missed it:



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RE: Buleria Video from Eduardo Trassiera (in reply to Arash

Damn.. I was so amazed thaI ****ted in my trouthers... That was the best one I saw for a long period of time. Why the hell isnt he famous?

Whatever.. I´ll change my pants now..
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RE: Buleria Video from Eduardo Trassiera (in reply to Arash

Eduardo Trassierra

Andalucia is blessed with a brilliant young generation of flamenco guitar players.
Eduardo Trassierra is an outstanding example of this new crop of artists. He was born in December 1982 in Villaverde del Rio (province of Sevilla) and received his first lessons from his father, guitar player Jose Trassierra. Very soon, he became the shining star of the conservatory and at the age of merely 12, he started winning some important national prizes as a flamenco guitar player. Those prizes would prove to be the first of an endless series.
When he was 18, he received the “Niño Ricardo” prize in Sevilla and aged just 19, he won the highly renowned “Giraldillo del Toque”. This prize, obtained at the XII Bienal de Flamenco in Sevilla, is only attributed by and to the very greatest of artists.
In 2004 he triumphed yet again. This time in Córdoba, where he obtained the “Juan Carmona Habichuela” prize at the Concurso Nacional de Arte Flamenco. In addition to that, he also was a laureate at the Concurso Internacional de Guitarra Flamenco de Concierto.
The future looks very bright for this student in economics (University of Sevilla), who has already become one of the most versatile flamenco guitar players of this era.
No one, except for perhaps Paco de Lucia, has been praised so highly at such a young age. Eduardo Trassierra is without a doubt one of the very greatest flamenco stars to come.

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RE: Buleria Video from Eduardo Trassiera (in reply to Arash

ARASH! Why do you always have the best videos?`! How do you find them damn?

Eduardo was great! Ok he played really alot of chords, switched them fast, sometimes too fast for me, but definitely great great player and great composer too!


But ... ANTONIO REY? Thats crazy sh*it man. I found a thread in which Ricardo says Gerardo is producing his debut CD. Any news on that?

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RE: Buleria Video from Eduardo Trassiera (in reply to Arash

Antonio freakin Reeeeeeeeey! Oleeeeeeeee! Guy smokes.
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RE: Buleria Video from Eduardo Trassiera (in reply to Arash

Wow, that was great!
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RE: Buleria Video from Eduardo Trassiera (in reply to Franchiquito

quote:

For Guitar diarrhorea fans
i recommend the DVD video XXIII Certamen de guitarra flamenca en Jerez
there are 6 great guitarist, and between these there is trassierra


Oh, then yeah I have seen this guy before, I just forgot. He did look familiar. I am a guitar "diarrhorea" fan for sure.
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RE: Buleria Video from Eduardo Trassiera (in reply to Ricardo

I have tried very hard to work out some of his falsetas - even with dvd solmo - a real challenge! I really like his style and hope that he publishes in the future.
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RE: Buleria Video from Eduardo Trassiera (in reply to Arash

im very much into the "running flowing ****s"

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RE: Buleria Video from Eduardo Trassiera (in reply to duende

Sorry to bump this thread up if you're not interested.

What gets me, is that more and more of "modern" Bulerias has this... sneering, macho, power trip, ego thing, with unresolved ideas, jumping like a monkey all over the fretboard and smashing atonal power chords and trying to be utterly cool.

Personally, I've no time for that.
I dunno about anyone else , but that sort of playing leaves me absolutely cold.

Before Ricardo jumps down my throat ( ).....Gerardo Nuñez is a modern player, but an extremely elegant player IMO.
Sure he goes off at a tangent from traditional flamenco, but his stuff fits together like a jigsaw, very neat and contained, unlike the cool "rabble rousers" I've heard recently.

In fact, everytime I hear a new Bulerias upload, it sounds like a continuation of the same piece!
Continuously arpegio in a moody, and steamy way for a few compases.
Then an arpegio up to a bit of aggressive picado.
Then a bit of flustering at break-neck speed, working down the fretboard, playing chords and some finger stuff every half second....then end on a big Flamenco "A" (preferably halfway up the neck).
Hold onto it and beat the sh*t out of it for a few compases and grimace while the cajon player and palmeros shout "olé"..

Ultra Cool!

Ultra Boring IMHO!

Gimme the old stuff anyday!

cheers,

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RE: Buleria Video from Eduardo Trassiera (in reply to Guest

Ron, I think your post was increbibly insightful and I agree with all of it, but what do you think of Antonio's performance? I fear you might not like it...

To me, comparing these two videos, Antonio is way more interesting, and I could gush about it specifically if anybody wants me to...

Eduardo is totally square throughout his piece, but he sure is trying hard and I just think his attitude is all wrong. Technically, it is like diarrhea, but conceptually and emotionally, it is more like constipation.

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RE: Buleria Video from Eduardo Trassiera (in reply to Conrad

quote:

but what do you think of Antonio's performance?


Hi Con,
I think he's an incredible virtuoso player...but there are so many incredible virtuoso players these days, I'm losing track!

I'm not trying to stir it with my previous comments...I could simply have said "Wow!" and left it at that.
But that wouldn't be what I was really thinking.

It's difficult to put accurately into words, but I feel that the "flavour" of Bulerias guitar style has changed over the years from "joyus, exciting and thrilling" to "moody, arrogant and in your face".

That's just a personal view, that is maybe age related.
I never grew up with things like Heavy Metal and Thrash and that sort of stuff, so maybe to guys younger than me, this kind of approach to music is normal.
It doesn't really do much for me though.

I also agree with an old comment by Florian saying that the older you get, the less open you are to new ideas and tend to get stuck in a time warp.

The good thing is, I can hear (via Ondajerez) that the sort of stuff I like is still being performed in the peñas of Jerez, since Flamenco in Spain still seems to be multi-generational and inclusive and not just cutting edge stuff and the hot-shots.

cheers,

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RE: Buleria Video from Eduardo Trassiera (in reply to Arash

There is no accounting for taste.



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RE: Buleria Video from Eduardo Trassiera (in reply to Ron.M

quote:

Sorry to bump this thread up if you're not interested.

What gets me, is that more and more of "modern" Bulerias has this... sneering, macho, power trip, ego thing, with unresolved ideas, jumping like a monkey all over the fretboard and smashing atonal power chords and trying to be utterly cool.

Personally, I've no time for that.
I dunno about anyone else , but that sort of playing leaves me absolutely cold.

Before Ricardo jumps down my throat ( ).....Gerardo Nuñez is a modern player, but an extremely elegant player IMO.
Sure he goes off at a tangent from traditional flamenco, but his stuff fits together like a jigsaw, very neat and contained, unlike the cool "rabble rousers" I've heard recently.

In fact, everytime I hear a new Bulerias upload, it sounds like a continuation of the same piece!
Continuously arpegio in a moody, and steamy way for a few compases.
Then an arpegio up to a bit of aggressive picado.
Then a bit of flustering at break-neck speed, working down the fretboard, playing chords and some finger stuff every half second....then end on a big Flamenco "A" (preferably halfway up the neck).
Hold onto it and beat the sh*t out of it for a few compases and grimace while the cajon player and palmeros shout "olé"..

Ultra Cool!

Ultra Boring IMHO!

Gimme the old stuff anyday!

cheers,

Ron


I couldn't agree more!

But then again, I get similar feelings when I'm listening to some of the good old Sabicas music. A lot of flashy techniques and little music (not to mention Carlos Montoya). Of course, he also did marvellous tunes.

I guess the evolution can now only bring us to a flamenco guitar version of Erik Satie.
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RE: Buleria Video from Eduardo Trassiera (in reply to cneberg

Thanks for your tolerance friends!
Discussions like these do tend to upset some folk.
But it's the same sort of stuff I'd discuss face to face over a drink, so why not here with my Flamenco amigos.

To Arash, who said "There is no accounting for taste".
I'd agree completely!

Last week I gave my teenage daughter a really great novel by Charles Dickens to read.
I asked her how she was getting on with it.
Well...she read the first chapter and found it pretty boring!

Why?

Probably because it doesn't relate to her current life, dominated by ipods and mobile phones.

Does this mean Charles Dickens is now all washed-up as a writer?
Irrelevant to modern life?

Fashion and taste change from decade to decade.

100 years ago, it was considered improper in the UK for an office worker to leave home without a bowler hat.

Now you only see them in comedy send-up sketches!

40 years ago, I was wearing flowery shirts and bell-bottom trousers.

You can't get them now... (damn)

That's taste and fashion for ya!

cheers,

Ron

PS:
Oh No!....I said a fobidden word!!!

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RE: Buleria Video from Eduardo Trassiera (in reply to Ron.M

No need to "Jump down"anyones throat. It is great that some folks have different tastes. Describing someone's playing as "diarrhorea" is a little stronger than simply not liking someone's playing style.

Anyway, regardless if you don't like this way of playing, understand there are aficionados that think that any solo guitar playing is "overkill". Throwing tons of falsetas together to make a solo is just "too many notes". Especially bulerias where the guitarist can say A LOT in a short time. Seeing just ONE of this diarrhorea guy's falsetas in context with singer, might leave a different impression.

In anycase, the idea of having lots of notes not "put together" well or whatever in bulerias guitar solos, is not a sign of the guy doing something wrong. That is the way flamenco falsetas are improvised. No need to be a grandiouse composer like M. Sanlucar, where it is all highly arranged. Even Nunez has some "compositions". But it is totally OK, for flamenco guitar to jump around all over the place with no care for structure. And it is also OK for someone to not like that way of playing at all, but one must still respect the approach.
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Ron.M

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RE: Buleria Video from Eduardo Trassiera (in reply to Ricardo

quote:

Describing someone's playing as "diarrhorea" is a little stronger than simply not liking someone's playing style.


I think maybe there has been some confusion over the expression "Guitar Diarrhorea" here!
I made it up from from the expression "Verbal Diarrhorea", which I thought was a general English language expression, but it may be just UK...or maybe even just Scottish?

What it means is:-

It's very fast flowing, disjointed...and once you start, you can't stop!!

It doesn't actually refer to the quality of the stuff, or mean the stuff is crap.

So someone speaking really quickly and jumping from subject to subject and going on and on without a break would be said to be suffering from Verbal Diarrhorea.

Hope this clears up any misunderstandings!

cheers,

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Sep. 18 2007 16:33:32
 
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RE: Buleria Video from Eduardo Trassiera (in reply to Doitsujin

quote:

ORIGINAL: Doitsujin
Why the hell isnt he famous?


He's reasonably known in Andalucia, at least in flamenco circles, he won a prize at the Cordoba Concurso but he is still young and as far as I know has not recorded yet. He still lives in Sevilla as opposed to seeking fame and fortune in Madrid but he is kept very busy accompanying and works almost non stop as well as teaching at the Conservatorio and I believe he is also a student ( Economics or law or something not music related). I think it is not so easy to become famous as a flamenco guitarist, or as a flamenco anything. I have met many many people who do not know who Paco de Lucia is never mind anyone else in the flamenco world, maybe Joaquin Cortes would qualify as the most famous flamenco artist.

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I think that this kind of disjointed melodic and motivic organisation makes it much more difficult for the performer to reliably produce a compelling performance. In a way this kind of avante garde structuring is more suited to a classical player or to free time forms where each new idea can be introduced with a different sound or dynamic or by leaving a little space. Very difficult to do this in buleria with the demands on technique and rhythm. I have seen concert footage of Paco doing all of these things and it was truly moving ( I think it was aroung the time of the Aranjuez recording -going by the hair ) but even he can't seem to present this type of material consistantly well ( which is why so many of us although grateful to have the chance to see him are left unsatisfied by his recent concerts ) as evidenced by the recent Antonia post and some of the newer falsettas in his live in Germany DVD. I really do believe though that it is worth doing but tricky to sell it live. I loved the recent Vicente Amigo upload where he seemed to be improvising with and manipulating his motives in a truly Jazz way ( genuine spontaneous creation ) where the spur of the moment kept it all fresh and immediate but also it all felt like the same piece. Perhaps genuine improvisation is best home for this type of material and not a prearranged composition trying to sound improvised ?

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