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Escribano
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From: England, living in Italy
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This the nicest group of folks that I've found on any internet forum You should meet some of them in a bar sometime. A bigger bunch of whining, bitching misfits I have never met in my life. Just kidding Thanks for your support. Foro Flamenco will actively promote more meetings in the analogue world. The flight down here from the UK was $100-$120 return, direct to Jerez. US-UK fares can be low, though a little more from Australia I guess. Through our contacts we can get 4 room apartments from $15 a day for each two bed room, $7.5 if you want to share. The shows are from $10-$15, penas are free, food is 30% cheaper than the UK and beer is $1 a go. Good wine is $5 a bottle or less. Sherry de Jerez is plentiful. Be warned, flamenco is everywhere, on car CDs, even guys singing on their mopeds. The locals want to hear me play the blues The friendliest place I have been in the World since I was in the US and Africa. No snobbery, except for the Bulerias de Jerez, of course Plenty of passion and not a little sweat. ¿Fancy a trip to the Buleria in September? Got to go for a wander back to my pit for a quick siesta before the night comes. Un Abrazo!
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Date Mar. 9 2004 14:37:35
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Paul Bruhns
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ANDY/RON I can't believe you guys. You sit there and critisize and then act like you know what the F*** you are talking about. Do you really think you are in a position to critisize paco de lucia's picado attack? Or, that you are in a position to analyze it? I mean it's bad enough that you talk about the FT forum people behind their backs, but to lurk in there to see what's going on, and then not find it within yourself to post a reply? Instead you come here and pretend you are above the frey. Now, having said that, I can see how not knowing someone can make you see red. I can't stand you two, and I'm sure it's only because I don't know you personally. If I did, I'm sure I would have an entirely different opinion. I mean in the long run, we all love flamenco, and I have never hung out with a bunch of flamencos and not totally enjoyed every minute of their company. But this whole bravado about pretending to be knowlegeable and critical of others is utter nonsense. You don't know them, and you don't know enough to critisize them. You alienate me. That's about all I have to say. Paul PS: If this is considered inflamatory and gets me booted so be it, but I won't go talking about behind your backs.
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Date Mar. 10 2004 2:42:46
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Paul Bruhns
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OK GUYS: I can see your points, now that I've had a night's sleep. I won't run away from the comment I made last night, and I'll defend the point I made, even if I was less than eloquent in my delivery of it. I know Richard well enough, and he is a geek when it comes to flamenco guitar. Yes, he can break down a player's technique into very small and subtle parts, and how he does that I don't know, he just hears it at a different level than most of us do. But what you probably don't get from these written words is that Richard is more willing to share and help anyone who asks for it. He spend a couple hours with me once just showing me (in any way it would take) how to internalize a compas with alegrias. Never once did he get frustrated or just give up. He wanted me to GET IT, because he knew I wanted to GET IT. I know everyone has an ego and it can get tripped at some level. When Richard is being beligerant about a certain point, it never comes accross as condecending in person. Maybe it does in print, but that is not his nature in real life. I can see past what you don't in print because I know him in person. That's true of others I know in the FT forum as well. I know Ramin and Behzad, and they are great guys. We are always discussing points of flamenco, and if it were in writing it would look disrespectful... but it's never that way in person. I beg to apologize for my insensitive delivery in my previous post. I ranted, and I should have slept on it before I made my point. I was frustrated. And, by the way, I love Pepe Habichuela, Perilla De Jerez (Manuel Fernandez Molina) and Eva Yurbabuena's husband Paco Jarana... so if you want to chat technique and approach to the music, there are lots of different artists to ponder. All have something to give. As I close, I hope you will remember this point... I would like you all in person, I'm sure of it. So, I won't take the words on paper as a measure of who you are. Cheers, Paul
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Date Mar. 10 2004 12:13:41
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Jon Boyes
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A couple of thoughts on the above.. The concept of practicing scales - rest stroke or free stroke - in a stacatto way to improve speed and attack as RichardM discusses is something that has been around for a while in classical guitar teaching. See Pumping Nylon (not again!) for a whole section devoted to this kind of thing. I think the interesting question is whether there is actually time for the finger to stop on the string when we are discussing something as ferocious and fast as Paco's picado. I find it hard to conceive of anything other than a continous motion, yet this practice technique does seem to give a clearer attack. To pick up Ron's point, yes I'm quite sure that Paco doesn't give his technqiue that kind of analysis, but the role of teachers is (partly) to work out what it is that the great players are doing, in order that we mere mortals might learn from them, surely? The great players are not usually the best teachers, and are not always terribly good at communicating about what they do. ' When Eddie Van Halen played the solo on Michael Jackson's 'Beat It', and guitarists heard him for the first time they said "What the f***!!!?" Eddie just turned up and did his thing (in 20 mins, allegedly) and doesn't have a whole lot to say on the subject of technique, but there are now plenty of rock videos and books that will get you tapping, doing whammy bar divebombs etc, etc on the market. Thats because teachers/players took time to analyse what Eddie was doing, so it could be taught to others. Jon
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Date Mar. 10 2004 13:53:57
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RE: Snooping on the "other"... (in reply to Jon Boyes)
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Just to say, that I totally understand the post where Poul B. got upset. There were at the start of this line a tendency to talk behind backs and a feeling of "we are so good here", that I as well disliked. I, like Poul, use the F - T forum, and have no problems. No flaming, no anything negative. Sometimes we have big arguments, and get hotheaded, but that´s exactly what I like about F - T. It´s not better or worse, just different, and if some of you guys se red, when some other flamenco aficionado talks, it´s probably because you´ve got exactly the same problem!!!! as the one you are critisising. I´m personally looking with a lot os sceptism on the way F - t is changing commercially, and it might make me quit, don´t know yet, have to se the end result. And to answer the guy that asked if it was worth the money I´d say: if you are a beginner, it was wort the money, but with the new system, I seriously doubt it Nice playing Anders
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Date Mar. 11 2004 7:43:48
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