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Sharing music, is it legal?
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Ron.M
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 RE: Sharing music, is it legal? (in reply to Zorro02)
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One thing that appears to be missing however, is the sharing of flamenco material, ie MP3s.
Zorro,
I hate to say it man...but "sharing", although it sounds very "friendly" actually means "stealing" someone elses work and giving it away.
Some folks like to "buffer" their feelings by saying "Oh, the Big Record Companies are going to make the money anyway..."
A lot of the time Flamenco stuff is released on independent labels....hey come on man...EVERYBODY knows how to make a CD these days!
That kinda argument puts me in mind of burglars who break into folks houses and steal and mess up all their stuff and feel innocent by saying..."So what?...The Insurance Company will pay for it anyway???"
So what do you want to do?
Accept this guy's "sharing" of someone else's DVD recorder, that he stole out of his home, as a gift, because he's already got one he stole last week?
And say "Thanks!! You Da Man!!
This whole Internet thing has really got to be sorted out somehow IMO.
I met a great Flamenco guitarist, not rich or anything, just a working musician, who released his first album.
He spent over two years on it, plus a lot of his own money..
Within 12 months it was available free on the Internet...
What kind of incentive does that give to anyone?
Anyway...I won't go on.
I'm not getting at you Zorro
I'm just saying Think about it.
cheers,
Ron
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Date Jun. 22 2007 21:27:57
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RE: Sharing music, is it legal? (in reply to JasonMcGuire)
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ORIGINAL: JasonMcGuire
Go and download a whole bunch of pirated mp3's and get a cracked version of "The Amazing Slow Downer". Steal all the licks you can and in the end what have you got........a bunch of bad vibes.
yes no one can argue with that, the artist and recording engineers etc deserve to be paid for theyre hard work. But i feel differently about transcribing material using software (you paid for of course) because that is a skill in itself. Not everyone can transcibe accuratly even when it is slowed down, and if you really like a falseta and your playing it for fun and not making money off it.I think thats o.k, well i hope its o.k...ah what do i care im crap at transcribing stuff accuratley anyway.
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Date Jun. 23 2007 4:59:28
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Florian
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From: Adelaide/Australia
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RE: Sharing music, is it legal? (in reply to Zorro02)
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Zorro with all the respect amigo none of us come here looking for free sh*t. And i am no Angel, I mean one way or the other i get what i need to get.
But... there are alot more valuable things you can gain here, i hope you can see that.
and everyone shares what they want, its not a must, theres practice loops, theres free lessons, theres exercises, videos, falsetas most valuble ADVICE.
not even gonna get into sharing of illegal stuff, just talking stuff we writte up etc.
but let me ask you .... what have you contribuited ? the place is what you make it..
dont upload illegal stuff, but u can upload stuff you write or practice stuff or ideas, or even photos from concerts, stuff that you have transcribed whatever...
use your judgement, if its one track from a good album and it would give the guitarist exposure, i dont see any problem with free promotion for him and educating for us. (mibe not the hole track, but a portion of it)
I uploaded many litlle samples of many albums i like, and some members found that they liked it too and didnt have it and as result to that went out and ordered the cd.
So give before you ask and use your judgement of right or wrong.
Sorry i dont mean to sound too criticising, but sometimes i get fustrated because i see 300 members online and its always the 30 odd ones that contribuite, offer music comments, get involved etc.
the rest must just be lurkers looking for free sh*t ? i dont know ( and i dont mean that in your case, because you are quite new here but I guess your post brought it out of me  my apologies, its not so much directed at you,it would
just be nice to hear from more members I just dont understand it everytime you press last post its always the same 40 members that writte. but i am sure that we have alot more members than that.
sorry used your thread to get my fustration out its not you its my own fustration Ive never appologised so much in criticising someone in my life
... sorry  i guess i am not a good confrontationalist (Yes !! it IS! a real word, i cheked google)
if i could create the perfect world id make it so that i can criticise people but they cant get upset with me for it because that hurts my feelings beeing such a humanatarian is such a heavy burden on my shoulders lol..
I started this post so confident and convincing, i felled like there was authorothy in my tone yet gentleness, belivable etc.. but it started to fall apart half way trough
now beacuse i feel gulty il just end up buying you everything you need
ok so i better stop now before i offer you my new anders just to get you to like me
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Date Jun. 23 2007 5:28:02
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RE: Sharing music, is it legal? (in reply to Florian)
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the rest must just be lurkers looking for free sh*t ?
yeah bloody lurkers, its creeping me out  only kidding, theres nothing wrong with lurking it just sounds like a dirty word. As long as youre only lurking on the internet and not around other peoples bedroom windows late at night. 
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Date Jun. 23 2007 6:38:35
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Florian
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From: Adelaide/Australia
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RE: Sharing music, is it legal? (in reply to Guest)
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yeah bloody lurkers, its creeping me out only kidding, theres nothing wrong with lurking it just sounds like a dirty word. As long as youre only lurking on the internet and not around other peoples bedroom windows late at night.
Oh no no no Domenic, no you missunderstood my post I wasent picking on OUR lurkers, i didnt mean OUR lurkers!! , I love the FORO Flamenco lurkers we have a silent respect for eachother i mean other lurkers from other websites who have never been here, is like "What have they ever done for Flamenco Foro ? " and why do we need em ? I was just saying that they are bad  , we dont need people like that around here.
ps its really fun picking on lurkers lol, i mean what are they gonna DO ? .....replie ?
and if they do, then they cant be lurkers and arguing with me would be really silly cause my comment dosent applie to them
dont you see !!! I finally found a win win situation ! 
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Date Jun. 23 2007 7:11:17
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RE: Sharing music, is it legal? (in reply to Florian)
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lol...well there 7 people lurking right now and feel i should give them a voice cause we all deserve to be heard. You can kiss our rosy red lurkin' butts
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Date Jun. 23 2007 7:26:31
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RE: Sharing music, is it legal? (in reply to Guest)
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ORIGINAL: Dominic
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they asked me to pass that onto u, theres 197 out there now. It can from 7 to 197 in the blink of an eye, theye outnumbering you bigtime flo
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Date Jun. 23 2007 7:43:31
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RE: Sharing music, is it legal? (in reply to Florian)
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whats a lurkers favourite song?
'your the voice' by John Farhnam ...o.k that bad 
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Date Jun. 23 2007 7:53:21
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Florian
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From: Adelaide/Australia
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RE: Sharing music, is it legal? (in reply to Guest)
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I tought it was " ITS ONLY WORDS" ......... shut up Domenic you getting me into more trouble!
just to be safe i wont step outisde the walls of this forum on the internet for a while, they might be waiting at the door for me to beat me up
i really dont know what the hell am I doing picking on lurkers for , in my defence i haven performed in 5 months and tonight i am playing again, i am a litlle nervous, i gues its my way of dealing with the nerves, some people warm up, i talk sh*t , its a defence mechanism only i go the other way.
dont take too much of what i say to heart, i dont care lurkers are good or bad, either way whatever you say whatever the most amount of people decide ... i am with them
i really dont think anybody should listen to me for anything and i am only half kidding ! if it were up to me id give you all bad advice so that id be the best player
sorry forum and sorry zorro didnt mean to hijack this tread
dont be mad !
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Date Jun. 23 2007 7:56:29
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RE: Sharing music, is it legal? (in reply to Florian)
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i think they knew you were kidding man, yourve been very sensitive latly flo. you think too much
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Date Jun. 23 2007 7:57:59
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