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rickm

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tremelo

I know there are always questions on tremelo. I have practiced tremelo, particularly Recuerdos for several years. I have a excellent classical teacher who has a blinding tremelo. I have practiced as fast as I can, as slow as I can and taking special care for sequence etc. and still do not have a effective tremelo. It is one of the mainstays of my practice. Simply said, it seems some cannot do great tremelo, and perhaps some cant do great rasquedos, etc. (My ras seems to be ok.) I am 56 years old and maybe the fingers cant work as well. ? Any ideas out there Apparently it is not something that comes naturally to me. Also I am left handed, so perhaps I dont have the dexterity in the right hand as a righthanded person might. Any ideas would be great. thanks.

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Thomas Whiteley

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From: San Francisco Bay Area

RE: tremelo (in reply to rickm)

Try going to my web site under Exercises and try the Tremolo using the 1 st string only. The concept is to gain control of the hand to play an even Tremolo using only the 1 st string. As you gain control try the other Tremolo exercises on my web site.

The Classsical tremolo is different than the Flamenco tremolo. It takes practice.

There was a person in China who used my exercise to learn tremolo. One day he decided to e-mail a mp3 of him playing my final tremolo exercise. It was several megs in size and not expected. He then asked how he had done, and I answered him he did very well. This is one use of the Internet to give lessons from a distance!

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Feb. 2 2004 15:01:32

Guest

RE: tremelo (in reply to rickm)

Hola

The tremolo is an argeggio. The "flamenco" tremolo has 4 treble notes instead of 3 and sounds fuller. It is usually taught iami, iami.

Try mami, mami. This is a far more natural sequence and is easy to play fast.

Suerte

Sean

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Feb. 2 2004 15:33:55

Miguel de Maria

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From: Phoenix, AZ

RE: tremelo (in reply to rickm)

Sounds like you have put some time in, but maybe you need to try some other things. There are lots of tremolo studies and aids on the market. The fact that these even exist, says to me that many find tremolo very difficult. So you should find solace in that!

Tremolo must be done with very relaxed fingers. And each finger must be under great control. When you practice, practice with concentration. Make sure each movement is smooth. Don't worry about the speed, just get it smooth and even. After awhile, I would think that thing would work themselves out. But practice it every day.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Feb. 2 2004 15:45:26

Billyboy

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RE: tremelo (in reply to Thomas Whiteley)

Some guitarists notably Juan Martin have terrible tremelo, the flamenco one is far easieir than the classical one because if you miss a finger, you have still got three to fall back on to keep it smooth, practicing slow, and ecomomy of movement is what its all about, but don't give up, there is nothing natural with anything guitar wise, and what can be a difficult techneque on year can become your strongest after a while.
Dave

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rickm

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RE: tremelo further (in reply to rickm)

thank all of you for your replies, and yes tom, I have practiced the exercises on your web site, not consistently, but I have. Another question would be is it possible to play Recuerdos with the flamenco tremelo of 4 beats instead of three.? I guess its possible, but do you loose the flavor of the sequence of Recuerdos then? I have never practiced a
mami tremelo and will give that a try.

One more question if yuou will, I have seen tab written with lets say a fingered e chord,
(first position) which indicates to me a strum of the e chord, then I see a e chord with a wavy line and then a R, indicating rasquedo. Ok , makes sense, but then I'll see lets say the chord written five times in rapid succession which again, to me, indicates a rasquedo. Is it just the same thing written differently? I'll have to try and post a example if needed via cut and paste if this doesnt make any sense. And this is a wonderful forum. thanks again

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Feb. 2 2004 18:06:49

Escribano

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From: England, living in Italy

RE: tremelo further (in reply to rickm)

Not sure I understand, is there such as a thing as a strum in flamenco

I have always read this as a slowish strum with pulgar, not a ras. Though I haven't seen the R so maybe that is notation for a ras.

If it's five times in quick succession and it's a ras, there should be some fingering above them like p n a m i

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Billyboy

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RE: tremelo further (in reply to rickm)

The chord with the wavy line next to it usually means a brushed chord where you lightly do a rasguado starting e,a,m,i, only lightly, followed by the thumb down, it just embelishes the chord a bit.
Dave

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Feb. 2 2004 18:26:06

gerundino63

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From: The Netherlands

RE: tremelo (in reply to rickm)

HI, GTRR66

I have trained my tremelo a lot, the only thing that got me better, was to train the tremolo on the second (b) string.

Becouse you have to control your fingers very carrefully to avoid hitting the first (e), you learn yourself to make the movement as small as possible.

Try it for a few weeks, and go to the first (e) string again, you will feel the difference.

greetings, Peter

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Florian

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From: Adelaide/Australia

RE: tremelo (in reply to rickm)

Peter i dont know what are you talking about i have heard your tremolo , you tremolo is good.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Feb. 2 2004 22:22:07

Thomas Whiteley

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RE: tremelo further (in reply to rickm)

It is more difficult to use a flamenco Tremolo for Recuerdos de la Alhambra as you have to fit in one more note for the technique. It also changes the "feeling".

Ideally, the music should indicate what fingering is used for left and right hand. That is not always the case. Some people also use different methods to notate a rasgueado.

Sometimes a series of chords closely spaced will be played using the Indice up and down. An example would be helpful.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Feb. 2 2004 23:34:48