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RE: Methods (in reply to Anders Eliasson)
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Date Jan. 30 2007 0:31:58
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Ricardo
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I saw that theres a DVD out on Sevillanas accompaniment. What is there to "accompany"??? Unless they mean the singing? I think all these methodical things are good references, especially for teachers, but for a student learning on his own, it really depends on how good a musician the student is, to use that stuff like a "method". I mean, the student needs to really understand both what he wants, and where he is at right now. It is really hard to step out of one's self. Just a couple of points many have heard from me before, sorry to sound like a broken record for some. Herrero is good and shows the "right stuff" IMO, but I dont' like how he constantly shows the student also the "incorrect" techniques and positions. I don't get that, because there are many players that play the exact "wrong way" he describes, and are better players than him. Again, his stuff is good "reference", but I dont' reccomend as a "method". Next, reading music is a good skill to have if you want to be considered a "musician", but for the flamenco only student, NOT NECESSARY at all. That does not mean reading music will hurt your flamenco necessarilly, or that it is "bad luck" or "evil" or something ridiculous. Simply that it is irrelevant to learning flamenco properly. About altered falsetas for copyright purpose. Dont' understand the point. What is being "protected" by that? If you want to learn jerez style, than learn the falsetas of parrilla and morao, as close to exactly the same as they play, that you can. No need to study "jerez method" or techniques of Herrero. Want "moron" style? Same deal. No need to settle for "moron-ish" falsetas. Hope you get what I mean. Lastly, metronome is most important. If you think you don't need it fine, so long as if one was on while you were playing, you don't mind it or get "annoyed" by it...don't "fight" with it in other words. Loops of "compas" or percussion are fine, fun and good to practice with, but metronome is better for a number of reasons. Ok same old speil, Peace Ricardo
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Date Jan. 30 2007 7:12:05
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Anders Eliasson
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Romerito I totally agree that if you work alone, the Herrero DVDs are very good, and the Worms/Herrero books are also the best you can get because as you say they offer you some kind of understanding of what you do. I think the reason I´m dissapointed with the books is that they are good, but why dont they write where the music examples are from. It would have been SOOO much better if they had written the CD/LP where you can find the music (eg. d aprés PDL, soniquete, ZYRYAB) and they wouldnt have had any trouble with copyright etc. I worked in a shop selling guitars, CD´s and scores and even though I havent followed the market, I think I can say that you wont find any other method explaining you the background of the playing. One thing that you can do is to work with dance DVD´s. They wont tell you what and how to play, but they´ll give you a chance to understand the structure of the dance. I used to take violin clases at a high level, with very good and very professional teachers. It was extremely awarding. When I started playing flamenco here, I got so dissappointed that I only took 5 clases. I found the level of teaching VERY low. No real interest in teaching. Just money, looking outside the window, not listening when you play, no scores, no nothing. complete lack of beginner level falsetas, no teaching compás etc. I actually prefered my Herrero/worms material.
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Date Jan. 30 2007 7:24:45
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