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Miguel de Maria

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classical guitar board

I've somehow become embroiled in an argument about looking at the left hand in the classical guitar forum. Somehow, no matter what opinion I hold, the guys over there think the opposite. I guess that shows my heart is more a flamenco than a classical. I think those guys are geeks, nerds... I don't like the way they think about guitar.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 28 2003 20:53:57

TANúñez

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RE: classical guitar board (in reply to Miguel de Maria)

Miguel what the heck are you doing over in the classical guitar forum in the first place? Get back over here and stay put. They don't understand us.

No offense meant to the classical players. The debates between classical and flamenco never ends.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 28 2003 21:12:30

Ron.M

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RE: classical guitar board (in reply to Miguel de Maria)

Hey Mike,
Zis you stirrin' it again at the CG Forum?

I read a bit of the thread.
I've never really thought about it, but actually I try to avoid looking at my left hand when playing as it tends to make me screw up.
Sometimes I look in that direction, but focus beyond the fretboard.
If I'm trying to work something out, then I do tend to look at my left hand though.
It's probably just personal perference, for there is no way that actually looking at your
left (or right) hand could possibly help you when playing.
The movements are too fast IMO.

cheers

Ron

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 28 2003 21:42:59

TANúñez

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RE: classical guitar board (in reply to Ron.M)

I LOVE my left hand. I am EL ZURDO!

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 28 2003 22:15:32

Thomas Whiteley

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RE: classical guitar board (in reply to Miguel de Maria)

In flamenco you do not look at the left hand - you have to watch the dancer or singer. If you play solo guitar you do as you please.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 29 2003 4:14:07

Billyboy

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RE: classical guitar board (in reply to Miguel de Maria)

I have found the main bad habit from crossing over from Classical to Flamenco Guitar, and I'm still guilty of it, is the self absorbed selfish nature of Classical guitar playing, even when playing solo Flamenco you have one half of your brain in the air or listening to your compas, a kind of freeness or openness, and because most classical guitarists are studious bald headed accountant types they have a problem with the different mind set of flamenco playing, if you have heard John Williams trying to play flamenco or Jazz, you can hear this, he is a terrible player.
Dave

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 29 2003 10:32:27

Miguel de Maria

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RE: classical guitar board (in reply to Miguel de Maria)

This is the feeling I got from the chumps over there. They wouldn't even entertain the notion that there is another way to playing guitar than sitting there and staring crosseyed at your left hand. I told them that many good instrumentalists don't look at their hands, their response was to say that Manuel Barrueco ogled his hands, so did Heifetz. Our old friend Todd K chimed in with the opposition viewpoint, predictably, saying looking at your hands or not is a "meaningless detail." I responded that sure, if you spend your time in the studio, why not, but if you actually perform, if you have to work with dancers or with other musicians, if you have to read music, it's a terrible liability. I was surprised that not a single poster agreed with me. But if you want to enlist the stereotype that they are accountant types with no rhythm or sense of ensemble, then it makes a lot of sense. Okay, I'm done venting.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 29 2003 21:30:22

duende

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RE: classical guitar board (in reply to Miguel de Maria)

OLÉEEEEEE! Miguel!

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 29 2003 21:42:00

duende

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RE: classical guitar board (in reply to Billyboy)

what´s billyboy saying ´bout bald?!? grrrrr

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 29 2003 21:43:47

Billyboy

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RE: classical guitar board (in reply to duende)

Actually, there's nothing wrong with accountants, they earn some decent money, I can only count to twelve

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 30 2003 2:19:58

Escribano

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RE: classical guitar board (in reply to Billyboy)

Won't hear a word against them. I use them every year for tax returns and I always recover more than their costs. The UK government changes tax codings so often that the individual cannot keep up.

Looking back a couple of years, when I frankly didn't think I knew the difference between classical and flamenco, it was the rhythmic playing, the golpes, pulgar and rasgeos that marked it out for me. But above all the cante and palmas.

I cannot bear studious recitals, where the guitarists appears to be divulging a some kind of secret and audiences are so undiscerning that they clap at anything.

Perhaps flamenco is another more exotic angle to get back to where I started out as a kid. Small groups of lads (not great musicians) just playing together for fun; eventually good enough to entertain others but never to a seated, alcohol and conversation-free audience.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 30 2003 10:05:40

Miguel de Maria

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RE: classical guitar board (in reply to Miguel de Maria)

Simon, you can stand and drink but don't talk at a pena! You'll get ssssssssed!

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 30 2003 15:41:49

duende

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RE: classical guitar board (in reply to Billyboy)

im not an accountant don´t worrie
but im having a 1 mm hairdo

I guess i look like a smiley
HA HA HA HARRR HARRR!!

Henrik

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 30 2003 15:51:30

Paco E.

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RE: classical guitar board (in reply to Miguel de Maria)

Friends,

Don't try to compare dogs and cats, they are totally different.

The only way you can let a dog say Miauw:
freeze it in, put the dog over a sawing machine, and you will hear miauw

Overload a cat with gasoline, put the poor beast on, you will hear woof.

Ed

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 30 2003 16:17:08

Paco E.

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RE: classical guitar board (in reply to Miguel de Maria)

By the way,

I am a classical player, who's trying to play flamenco, Its a hard job, and I like it:)

Ed

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 30 2003 16:19:19

Miguel de Maria

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RE: classical guitar board (in reply to Miguel de Maria)

Paco,
don't worry, we'll still be nice to you even if you play classical. I play Pachenbel's Canon and Recuerdos, but no one has said anything to me so far.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 30 2003 17:45:54