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Best strings for Hnos. Sanchis Lopez F03 India
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tmock
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 RE: Best strings for Hnos. Sanchis L... (in reply to Arash)
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I agree with Jon that Ricardo's sound is in his hands, as is Grisha's, and ToddK's and yours.
However, if you're looking for generally brighter, snappier bass strings, I'd take a look at dedicated flamenco strings. I think that the composite strings usually only have composite trebles. The basses are relatively standard, so you won't get much of a difference in their brightness. All of the classical strings I've tried, even those that are supposed to have "bright" basses, have a relatively large diameter. I have an Indian rosewood guitar, too, and at least on my guitar and with my hands, I can't get a bright sound out of thick classical strings.
I have had much better luck with Hannabach 827Flamenco's, or LaBella 820B's, or LaBella 2001F's. The basses go from thickest to thinnest in that order. The Hannabach's seem to have the highest tension and the trebles are a little too warm for some people's taste, but the bases are bright and polished smooth as an added bonus. They might be better in medium tension instead of the high tension I've tried. I was using the LaBella2001F's for awhile. They are really snappy strings. Even the high tension basses are thin and bright, but the G string was a little "tuneless" on the sets that I tried. The 820B's are what I'm using right now. They have a great tension, not to soft, not too hard. The basses are bright and the trebles are percussive but seem to have a little bit more "music" in them than the 2001F's.
Hope that helps.
Travis.
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Date Nov. 16 2006 2:13:22
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tmock
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From: New York, New York
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RE: Best strings for Hnos. Sanchis L... (in reply to Jon Boyes)
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No, thats not true with either of the examples I gave - in both sets the basses have non-nylon cores. The D'Addario composite sets actually have regular nylon 1st and 2nd strings, but from the 3rd downwards its all composite.
Both sets I mention are actually brighter than a set of Hannabach flamenco strings I tried, which I found rather tubby.
Thanks for the correction, Jon! I was not aware of that. I'm pretty happy with the strings I'm using now, but maybe I'll have to try some composites the next time I'm string hunting.
I thought I remembered that you had posted about not liking Hannabach flamenco strings. I haven't been terribly impressed, either, though I think the trebles might have a nice warmth on a really raspy guitar. Generally, I like the LaBellas much better.
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Whats your opinion about mixing strings? would this cause any problems?
Bikhiyal, I've not experimented personally with mixing strings. However, I know that people do it. The most common method is just to use the basses from one manufacturer and the trebles from another. I think that some people take that a step further by swapping out individual strings that are not sounding right. The only thing I wouldn't mix is tensions, because I don't know if there's a risk of screwing up the neck.
Travis.
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Date Nov. 16 2006 13:46:34
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tmock
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RE: Best strings for Hnos. Sanchis L... (in reply to Jon Boyes)
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Hey, Jon. Right now I'm really comfortable with the 820Bs. I was using the 2001F high tension for awhile before that. They both have an earthy, percussive sound, with good overtones and both are dirt cheap, especially the 820Bs on Strings by Mail. The two are a bit different, though
2001F
LaBella's packaging bills these as high tech strings for modern players. They seem most appropriate for negra guitars. I think they might be too brittle sounding on a bright blanca. The trebles are ultra percussive with lots of rasp. The basses are engineered so that even the high tension strings have a small diameter, which added a little zing and flexibility that made it easy to get a nice rattle. The small diameter basses also felt more secure under my right hand during picado. The downside for me was that the G string on nearly every set I got had a very plastic sound to it and some of them had a noticeable flat side; it was very percussive and it sounded okay in pulgar passages, but picado and arpeggios sounded terrible. I suppose if you were really attached to the set overall you could just sub out the G string, maybe with the one from the 820Bs.
820B
This set is a little thicker than the 2001F high tensions I used, even though they only come in medium tension. I think they're still smaller in diameter than most high tension classical strings, though. When I first strung them up, they felt really tight compared to the 2001Fs, but they settled in and loosened up a bit. The slightly higher tension just allowed me to bring my action down a tad, which was nice. The basses are still really bright and punchy sounding, but the big improvement is in the trebles. They're still percussive and bright, but there's a little more "music" in them. I think it's because the nylon is just a little softer - but not as soft as the red trebles on the Hannabach 827s. Ricardo's videos should give you a good idea of the general sound of these strings (on a great guitar in the hands of a great player). They're simple, cheap, no frills, and I think work really well.
Hope that helps.
Travis.
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Date Nov. 16 2006 18:38:27
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n85ae
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RE: Best strings for Hnos. Sanchis L... (in reply to Arash)
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I really wanted a dark, and evil sounding Negra, so I asked Tom at LaFalseta
and he recommended a Pedro De Miguel 27F Negra. For 2-3 years I fought with
that guitar, it sounded dull and thuddy, and overly deep, and I just never
could seem to get the sound I wanted. I tried almost every string on the
market. I came very close to selling it, and giving up on Negra's forever.
Finally after 2-3 years of on and off hatred of the guitar, it seemed to transform
itself, and now it sounds like what I was originally after. Now it sounds good
with Luthier's, or D'Addario's or pretty much whatever I put on it. The only thing
I can attribute it to is that I think it just took it a very long time for the wood to
settle in, and open up.
Now it is my favorite guitar. Which I really cannot explain, since for so long I
hated it's sound. Which was - Dull and Boomy, thuddy. However that sound
is a thing of the past, it doesn't sound that way at all anymore.
Perhaps a Luthier can explain it better, but I think the Spruce/Rosewood
just takes longer to develop it's sound ...
Jeff
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Date Dec. 15 2009 6:20:46
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Arash
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From: Iran (living in Germany)
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RE: Best strings for Hnos. Sanchis L... (in reply to Arash)
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Hey guys, first of all, this thread is 3 years old :)
Ricardo and others, thanks for the advices but i sold the F03 long time ago.
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kozz, honestly, it was an ok guitar for a short period of time, but after a while, for me something was missing.
i tried many different strings, but i guess the guitar was not built for me, or
maybe i got better in playing and needed another guitar or whatever.....
i don't know if all F03s are like that or if it was just me who was not satisfied at the end.
you should try out the guitars and compare.
but if you ask ME , i won't recommand this guitar anymore.
but thats just me (and my F03 at that time).
for me, it was not "flamenco" enough (and yes, i considered that it is a negra)
maybe it will be completely different for someone else.
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Date Dec. 16 2009 11:29:19
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Arash
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From: Iran (living in Germany)
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RE: Best strings for Hnos. Sanchis L... (in reply to XXX)
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ORIGINAL: Deniz
you have a manzanero? How is it? Ive heard they are great. I was pretty close to buying one.
Well i like to be up to date, but im not really searching, since i am happy with my hippner. Its been built in May this year and gets better and better and better...
its time to say goodbye to my second guitar, Sanchis Carpio 2F 
well, as mentioned , my manzanero is a student guitar (an old one from 50s or 60s), not built by manzanero himself, i bought it very very cheap on ebay. but sound is fantastic (crisp and "blanca" ;-)
problem is , that it is a bit smaller than normal size and therefore (and some other issues), the playability is not ok for me.
from what i heard in your youtube vid, this hippner guitar of yours seams to be a nice one.
but i decided not to order a guitar to be built for me. even if i have tried another guitar (same model).
i will buy an existing guitar "AS IS", after trying it out and after beeing fully satisfied with all aspects
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Date Dec. 16 2009 12:45:02
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Arash
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From: Iran (living in Germany)
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RE: Best strings for Hnos. Sanchis L... (in reply to XXX)
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ORIGINAL: Deniz
I have quite small hands, so the manzanero could be interesting for me.
Be sure to leave me a message if you want to sell it.
Maybe there is also a chance to meet each other at a flamenco show or something. Are there good shows in Frankfurt you attended to? Are going to see Tomatito in January in Köln?
i have small hands too, but still some problems with the spacings (strings, frets, etc).
i guess, that was also a reason, why it sold cheap on ebay.
but sure, you could try it out and see yourself, if we should meet. i will let you know.
i don't know about any good show in frankfurt, but i have not checked recently.
but i would like to come to koeln for tomatito and of course paco in berlin , feb. 2010, if i should be able to manage it. maybe it will be his last tour, who knows.....
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Date Dec. 16 2009 13:41:42
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