Challenge for Florian - "La Feria" by Juan Martin

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tluczek

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Challenge for Florian - "La Fer... 1 votes

Here's a tab for you. There's a lack of 1st page, but it's the funny strumming part missing.. The end of it is on the 2nd page, you'll get it from the first verse and youtube.com La Feria video.
It's one of the easiest pieces, but I haven't got anything else tabbed.

I can your performance to Juan Martin and then send his comment back here.
He's at home now, so he's got some time to watch it (hear it), if you wish of course.

Here it is: http://www.icpnet.pl/~tluczek/laferia.rar

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Miguel de Maria

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RE: Challenge for Florian - "La... (in reply to tluczek)

I like the idea. Why don't you send Juan Martin here. If he was actually a member of the forum, I'm sure we would be much more polite to him.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 21 2006 17:47:09

koella

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RE: Challenge for Florian - "La... (in reply to Miguel de Maria)

Ta-tada-daaaaaah !!!

Will Flo take up the glove ?

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 21 2006 18:00:40

Florian

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RE: Challenge for Florian - "La... (in reply to tluczek)

Just got back from a club and i am drunk but u got it

i will check it out

I would prefer it if u didnt show Juan Martin beacuase my beef is not with him but with those that insult forum members here for him just because they say they dont like his music..

but i dont care either way if u have to u have to.

when i do do it tho u will have to say after me tho" Any member of this forum can openly express theyr true feelings about any cd they may purchase, with out me saying they are not wordy enough to do so, including JM"

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 21 2006 18:28:14

tluczek

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RE: Challenge for Florian - "La... (in reply to Florian)

Well... I can say it even right now, but to those who listened to the CDs before criticising. I just don't like calling him circus player, the guy who only does some spectacular rumbas and nothing else or talking about him as a cheater, liar, etc. (like Gitano said).

This rumba is not that hard to play (though there are some semi-hard accords), so play it at least with similar expression, tempo and feeling he does (including the accurate strumming technique with the same effect). The audio from studio record is here: http://www.icpnet.pl/~tluczek/juan/
I place two recordings - one from studio from CD Musica Alhambra(but with a group who play so loud at the end, that you can't hear the guitar, so use the ending from other audio file - Martins 4 - Rumba Nostalgica and La Feria).
I also put Bulerias of Juan played live in radio, without sound equipment ;)
Not that complex, but played really hard.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 21 2006 19:07:34

Miguel de Maria

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RE: Challenge for Florian - "La... (in reply to tluczek)

Are those things you posted really from his studio album!?

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 21 2006 20:07:03

tluczek

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RE: Challenge for Florian - "La... (in reply to Miguel de Maria)

Don't they sound like it?

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 21 2006 20:27:23

Miguel de Maria

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RE: Challenge for Florian - "La... (in reply to tluczek)

Why did he leave the errors in? Those should be overdubbed so it sounds clean.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 21 2006 20:58:47

Ron.M

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RE: Challenge for Florian - "La... (in reply to Florian)

Flo,
Sounds good idea man!...

I'm all up for it if you want to take this piece on.

As you know I don't read or write tabs.
I learn things phonically.
If it's of any help to you, it goes like this...

Da Da Da Dara Di Ri..
Da Da Da Dara Di Ri... (Try to sound more positive in this phrase)
Di Di Di De Dum de Dum...
Di Di Di De Dum de Dum...
Da Da Da Dara Di Ri..
Da Da Da Dara Di Ri.. ( Again, make this sound more up beat)
Di Di Di De Dum de Dum...
Di Di Di De Dum de Dum..

(You can keep this going for as long as you want, then finish in a BIG "OLÉ" Rasgeado!!!)

Got it?

Now, the next part is basically the same, just move the key up a bit so the punters don't get too bored...

Observe strict 4/4 Compás throughout.

That's the best I can do Flo, sorry..

cheers

Ron

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 21 2006 21:10:20

Ron.M

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RE: Challenge for Florian - "La... (in reply to Ron.M)

quote:

As you know I don't read or write tabs.

Well...what I mean is I can only write Tabs, but can't read them.
So I can't tell if they're correct or not...

cheers

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 21 2006 21:53:01

koella

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RE: Challenge for Florian - "La... (in reply to Ron.M)

Jeez I knew the rumba already. But now I heard that radio-live buleria.

Tzuclek. If you would have posted this buleria saying it was you who played it, I would have said "great job, nice buleria"

But knowing that this is mr JM himself ???

I give you an advice. remove the upload. I don't think JM will be amused by the fact that you upload this intermediate buleria full of mistakes, floating tempos and insecure compas.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 21 2006 22:21:21

Guest

RE: Challenge for Florian - "La... (in reply to koella)

hey florian, while your at it why dont you learn a ottmar number to. After that all you need is 14 more rumbas and you can sell an album with free steak knifes too.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 21 2006 22:27:14

tluczek

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RE: Challenge for Florian - "La... (in reply to koella)

damn... I have to admit that's not the best one I could upload for this forum (it was placed near the la feria, so I put it on).
You're right... tempos are floating a little bit, I'm not sure about the compas but there are some notes which could be played more accurate. I still like the tone and his hard style of playing. I hate modern girly-like, jazzy flamenco players.

If you put them in front of you and told them to play, you'd barely hear them playing. That's not flamenco for me. I prefer even if the tone is false, but I want to hear it well.

I won't take off the upload, but I'll put on the tarantas later on (video from a concert). Hope it'll be better for you.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 21 2006 22:52:42

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RE: Challenge for Florian - "La... (in reply to tluczek)

This is gonna be just like the showdown at the end of 'the good, the bad, and the ugly'

aayyiaaayyiaaaa, aaa, aaa, aaa,
aayyiaaayyiaaaa, aaa, aaa, aaaaaaahhhh,

(i used to love the guitar line in that music)
dung dung dung, dung dung, dung dung....
dung... dunga na dung, nang a na dung, nang a na dung (iforgot the rest)

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 22 2006 1:00:57

Florian

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RE: Challenge for Florian - "La... (in reply to Guest)

tluczek

I am guessing you dont win that many bets lol. I am saying u can pick anything of his and u pick the eaziest of his, atlist do the guy justice and pick something a litlle harder of his. give me the name of the piece and i can see if i find it.

CMon man i love an eazy bet but even this is too eazy, u hurting his reputation more with this uploads more then anything anyone of us has ever might have ever said togheder and even tho i dont like his music I really dont wanna do that cause i respect that the books he has done for beginners are very well organised.

SO atlist represent the guy a litlle better.

take time and pick something else if u want or give me the name and il look for it.

and if i can suggest .. if u really care about Juan Martin id remove those audios because while that might impress the general public and beginner guitarists, is not doing his cause a hole lot of justice here (and i am not saying this to be mean, i realize anyone can have a bad day and its hard doing a buleria life without compas whatever)

i dont get into his music but I dont enjoy seeing him potraied this badly either.

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tluczek

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 22 2006 9:41:05

tluczek

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RE: Challenge for Florian - "La... (in reply to Florian)

I guess you have some problems, so you wanna change the piece?
Just make it sound like he does, with all the expression, loud playing, tempo, etc.

What's more, it's good for you to learn this piece. You'll be able to wake up your public after jazzy falsetas at your concerts ;)

Record the video please.. so I'll now that's you :))

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 22 2006 9:42:23

Florian

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RE: Challenge for Florian - "La... (in reply to tluczek)

hehehe allrighty then

see tluczek now you are beeing funny

i like you when you like this (and i am not beeing sracastic)

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 22 2006 9:56:13

Florian

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RE: Challenge for Florian - "La... (in reply to Florian)

btw i am missing page 1

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 22 2006 10:04:18

Florian

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RE: Challenge for Florian - "La... (in reply to Florian)

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what are you doing to me tluczek hes not even playing it as the transcription, have u got this track from the album ?

give me something i can work with here, a solea a alegria a buleria or something not this improvistation of his own stuff.

quote:

Just make it sound like he does, with all the expression, loud playing, tempo, etc

u want the mistakes and fulfed notes also ?

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 22 2006 10:10:30

tluczek

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RE: Challenge for Florian - "La... (in reply to Florian)

The 1st page is the beginning of the strumming. It's just a combination of different chords than on the beginning of the 2nd page.
- here you can see the 1st page at the beginning.

Don't complain Florian :) I got the strumming from it, so you can make it too. Clap the open hand on the strings, do upstroke with all 4 fingers from this position, then downstroke mowing hand closer to the fretboard and upstroke with the thumb and again clap the strings closer to the fretboard, and coming back ;) It's a good wrist practice.
You can help yourself with 4th finger to stop the strings. I didn't get where Juan does it exactly, but maybe you can see it on the youtube video and compare it with transcription somehow.

According to the transcription versus the studio recording, there's not that much difference, all the things from the transcription are played somewhere out there. You'll make it..

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 22 2006 10:31:27

Florian

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RE: Challenge for Florian - "La... (in reply to tluczek)

hahaha

hey good news i found his studio recording so how about il just play as he does it there and i start from where my transcription starts ?

quote:

According to the transcription versus the studio recording, there's not that much difference, all the things from the transcription are played somewhere out there

i will take your chalenge but i am not going on a wild goose chase here, that should be plenty to get my point across.

after all i dont plan on ever playing it again after

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 22 2006 10:36:56

tluczek

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RE: Challenge for Florian - "La... (in reply to tluczek)

do it like it's in a transcription, if you correct JM's mistakes, maybe it could be even better. You could put it on youtube also and get 24000 views, like he did.
Then you could prove the whole world that you're Godlike like Juan is. You can post it also as a video response to Juan's LaFeria.
And remember about good tags for the search engine: sexy guitar flamenco :)

Btw. why doesn't everyone learn to play La Feria. Maybe we could do group La Feria? Some good marketing and the forum will be worldwide famous.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 22 2006 10:43:59

Florian

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RE: Challenge for Florian - "La... (in reply to tluczek)

if i do it , i am not putting it on yotube and if i do i wont tell anyone except for you and it wont be there long.

and when u put in sex flamenco in the search my page comes up allready

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 22 2006 10:47:46

koella

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RE: Challenge for Florian - "La... (in reply to tluczek)

quote:

ORIGINAL: tluczek
Clap the open hand on the strings, do upstroke with all 4 fingers from this position, then downstroke mowing hand closer to the fretboard and upstroke with the thumb and again clap the strings closer to the fretboard, and coming back ;) It's a good wrist practice.

Good explanation, no ?
Maybe I should eplain also how to grab an em and am and a B7.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 22 2006 10:48:24

koella

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RE: Challenge for Florian - "La... (in reply to Florian)

I wonder if you can stand the loniless after you've uploaded your feria.
And also the fact that noone will reply your posts anymore.

may 10000 steakknives haunt you for eternity when you upload it.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 22 2006 10:54:41

Florian

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RE: Challenge for Florian - "La... (in reply to koella)

hahahaha

hey why dont u do it too ? we could both be Godlike, and we get our own statue in Poland..

infact everyone that wants to do it ,do it, it will be fun we could get our own park in Warsaw.

Domenic are you in ?
Alo ?
Doit ? anyone ? everyone ?

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 22 2006 10:59:25

koella

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RE: Challenge for Florian - "La... (in reply to tluczek)

Ok I'm in. May take some time though.
I haven't got the tab but I'll try the video part.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 22 2006 11:23:06

koella

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RE: Challenge for Florian - "La... (in reply to tluczek)

Oh God, what have I done !

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 22 2006 11:24:11

Florian

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RE: Challenge for Florian - "La... (in reply to koella)

YAY !!!

the tab is above in the fist post.

take your time, same here, i mean i am sopossed to be working on music for some gigs in december lol.

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