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 RE: how to contact juan martin? (in reply to JBASHORUN)
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Juan Martin is Godlike and I love him!
not as much as tluczek does!
Doitsujin, i definatley can see your point with jeronimos album to a certain point(maybe it doesnt flow musically as well a some albums), but you cant tell me you dont love the buleria. But then again i think its like canazares, theres no in between, you either love it or you dont. But yeah i have to admit its not an album i listen to every day.
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Date Oct. 14 2006 13:04:19
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sabo
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Joined: Aug. 15 2006
From: Poland
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RE: how to contact juan martin? (in reply to Ricardo)
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ORIGINAL: Ricardo
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we dont all love the same things or else it would be boring life, no?
So lets accept the fact that we humans have different tastes and mind sets and enjoy that instead of fighting about it
Ok sure, but hopefully you dont' imply that anyone is allowed to NOT like Paco de Lucia...right? 
lol, ricardo i was just trying to imply that I opened the thread. I didn't know it will turn into such a "cyber"-fight 
I personally love paco de lucia but I am sure, there are many humans who don't listen to flamenco or jazz and won't like the music of paco. So there is just no point to fight about it. In the time of writing a thread to fight about this, we could do more useful things ;)
As a matter of fact, I live in a country where it is hard to find people listening to flamenco at all, in the city where I am living there are no flamenco teachers at all.
It was funny to find a flamenco school here, and when I contacted them I found out they teach only dancing and I was asking about a teacher, so they offered me to play for them LOL :D
So I can only be so grateful to Juan Martin that he is publishing such a good teaching material which allows me to learn this art, which I like very much. I did have a good experience in the past with classical guitar, which allowed me to continue learning from his material alone. Its still hard to be without a teacher, but other artists didn't care to publish this art to the whole world and they teach just selected students. From my personal point of view art is not just a business where an artists seeks only making fans and more $$$
Best regards,
Sabo
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Date Oct. 15 2006 10:38:09
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RE: how to contact juan martin? (in reply to sabo)
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What a coincindence, guess who was on the television over here today, yep Juan Martin. I think hes touring over here atm. The show he was on is an arts show where they do small segments on different arts.
When the host started to talk about flamenco and said that there was going to be a guitarist playing a little bit i got all excited in anticipation of who(because over here on commercial television we hardly ever see flamenco). Once i remember seeing tomatito on the latin grammy awards and it really blew me away, but thats another story.
O.k ill be honest when the host said Juan Martin i was really let down, but then i thought nah, give it a chance because people on the foro people are going on about how he brought flamenco to the world and every thing hes done. So i watched with an open mind, he played you guessed it 'la feria'.
Now please dont think this to be a personal attack, its purely objective. The truth is the playing was sloppy at best and really, really ,really,really, really ,really,really, really ,really,really, really ,really boring.
Even the host who knew nothing about flamenco was noticbly unimpressed, because prior to Juans performance he had just introduced him as one of the best three guitarists in the world(o.k, maybe he didnt warm up enough beforehand).
I really think Juan Martin misrepresents Flamenco and claims on national t.v to be the best but nothing could be further from the truth. I would even go as far as to say he does flamenco a great miservice because if that was the first time someone would hear flamenco they would probably say that was crap and assume all flamenco to be the same.
Im really sorry to all the Juan disciples but please, wake up and smell the coffee. Its not so much what he does but what he claims to be.
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Date Oct. 15 2006 11:11:46
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tluczek
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From: Poland
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RE: how to contact juan martin? (in reply to Guest)
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Im really sorry to all the Juan disciples but please, wake up and smell the coffee. Its not so much what he does but what he claims to be.
You're exaggerating, he plays these rumbas to show off for the non-flamencos. Do you think he can't play such simple La Feria without being sloppy?
Maybe he tried to play it too fast or sthg. I saw some performances which were really weak, but what he showed in Poland at his solo concert was very impressing, and I don't mean the rumbas, but e.g. Tarantas, Rondena, Zambra - this is his best stuff. Not many guitarists can go on the stage solo, play for 700 people for 1h30m keeping their constant attention. They bought all the CD's (over 100) and gave him standing ovations (even in the middle of the show after his Zambra). The playing was surely non-sloppy, he had some bad notes appearing but was able to hide it behind great feeling and his strong style of playing.
Personally, I listen to many flamenco guitarists, enjoy mostly Manolo Franco, pure flamenco pieces by Vicente, Moraito, Pepe Habichuela, Gerardo Nunez, Serranito, and of course Paco (older albums mostly).
But I also have times when it's too much for me, and I switch to Sabicas, Diego del Gastor and Juan mostly for the specific aire they can create, which is completely different and I don't compare these players with the previously mentioned.
I'll post the video on Tuesday. Tomorrow I'm organizing Rafael Cortes concert in Poznań, if anyone is near, I invite them to join the show, there are still some tickets left.
The info is on tour organizer's webpage. I'm doing the concert in Poznan:
http://www.flamenco.art.pl
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Date Oct. 15 2006 14:36:20
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Mark2
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From: San Francisco
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RE: how to contact juan martin? (in reply to Jon Boyes)
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That vote was from Guitar Player a few decades ago, as I recall. It has to be seen in context of course - how many flamenco guitarists could the average Guitar Player reader actually name back then?
Uh, three-Carlos Montoya, Charo, and Juan Martin
i think both Montoya and charo won the award as well. To be fair, at some point, PdL won five times. Flamenco coverage in GP has always been lacking.
This brings up another point-20 years ago it was much easier to be a hack flamenco guitarist than it is today. There was no internet, few lp's were available, and many people outside spain had not ever heard the music. Today, you can you tube the greatest players ever, so when you pull out your guitar to play, you could be playing for people who know what Tomatito sounds like. Whole different ball game. Flamenco guitar does not have the same impact in many cases that it did back then.
I've seen Juan play, and he can play for dance, for cante, and play decent to good flamenco in all the forms. that was also 20 years ago-I have no idea what he sounds like today. That publicity he got from GP and the profile his manager has been able to create for him is a financial blessing, but also a heavy burden to carry around.
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Date Oct. 15 2006 14:39:57
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Ron.M
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From: Scotland
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RE: how to contact juan martin? (in reply to JBASHORUN)
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"the best Flamenco guitarist in the world"
= Manitas de Plata of course!
Everybody knows that for Heaven's Sake!!
ie...Don't believe the publicity....
Juan Martin is just a working musician.
If folk think that he's fantastic, then it's not fair to tap them on the shoulder and put them off.
Thats just being an ass IMO.
Sure..speak to them, understand where they are coming from and maybe direct them to other things to listen to, if you reckon that it would enrich their lives...
There are some things I quite like about Juan's playing.
But there are many other guitarists I'd much rather listen to...
OK.. there are "friends" who have got to know him personally and have obviously enjoyed the humanity and personality of his company, in a private drink and conversation with the man...no doubt I'd enjoy it too..
But his "public" face seems to me, to be too contrived IMO and very this..very hesitant "eh-spanish"...(how joo say dis word in Engliss...) kind of stuff kinda gets on my nerves, (especially when Paco Peña spoke very good English) ... that I sorta feel he is not representing Flamenco, say as Ricardo knows it from returning from Jerez a few months ago and mixing with all kinds of younger aficionados and performers...
I think Juan likes being the "distanced Foreigner" who can only play the "real" Flamenco and smilingly says..."Because iss een my Blood...No one who is not truly Espanish can really feel de true passion of dis Emusic".
Maybe I'm wrong here, but that's just my opinion.
I think his image is stuck in the 60's style of "Amazing Spanish Flamenco Guitarist on BBC1 Tonight" on the Michael Parkinson show on black and white TV, with a suit and frilly lace cuffs on his shirt
But if he's making a success out of that, then good luck to him...
Wish working musicians Good Luck..
Don't wish working musicians Bad Luck.
If you want to be up there, then do it off your own steam.
Not by putting down others.
That's my opinion anyway...
cheers
Ron
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Date Oct. 15 2006 20:16:32
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Miguel de Maria
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From: Phoenix, AZ
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RE: how to contact juan martin? (in reply to JBASHORUN)
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Ron's right in that Juan is a working musician, nothing more, nothing less. His playing abilities are about midway between the true virtuosos such as Vicente Amigo and the amateur who is messing around with one bulerias for his whole playing career. The different with Juan is that he has been phenomenally successful in his career, and has been promoted to a high degree. When you put yourself on that pedestal, you will be judged accordingly. When you are in the spotlight, all of your faults are there for the world to see. So be it.
He has a Spanish accent which seems a bit phony to those of us who have been to Spain. The claim that he is one of the 3 best guitarists in the world rings hollow when most of us personally know at least 3 better guitarists in our own cities. The criticism comes with the territory. My joke about the rumbas was nothing more than jokes that my flamenco friends make in my presence... but I beg to differ, Ron, when the Juanistas want to impose their strange version of reality upon this board then I'm going to be opening my mouth to reality. Nothing against Juan, a fellow working musician who has a few years on me.
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Date Oct. 15 2006 21:03:15
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RE: how to contact juan martin? (in reply to Escribano)
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Its not so much what HE claims to be, but what OTHER PEOPLE claim that he is
Yes that argument always turns up, and it does have some truth to it. But the fact is Juan Martin doesnt stop his publicist from using this misinformation to promote him and sell tickets.
I just think that what Paco De Lucia has done over the past 40 years or so with flamenco, getting recognition for flamenco guitar as a legitimate artform and solo performance intrument, from the classical world and other prestigious music intitutions gets undermined when an artist like Juan Martin turns up, plays a few boring rumbas, and profesesses to be one of 'the best'.
Ok i will admit i havent seen heaps of his material (mainly rumbas)and everyone has an off day so maybe the tv performance was just a bad gig for him, and it does take a fair while to warm up properly. Ill watch this tarantas upload when its put up.
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Date Oct. 16 2006 0:52:37
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seanm
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From: Halifax, Nova Scotia
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RE: how to contact juan martin? (in reply to JBASHORUN)
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Personally, I think a lot of folks impose too much misinformation about Juan Martin. I had a workshop with him a few months back spead over 3 days. He's a really great guy, put on no 'aires' about his talent and came across as a solid, experienced player who was more interested in the art of flamenco (i.e. working with singers and dancers) than much else. He seemed to know and could play pretty much any style/compas you could think of and was very generous and genuine in his with his interest in teaching. As for where these quotes come from, it shouldn't matter. If you've never met the guy, you should be a bit more diplomatic before casting such sweeping judgements.
Check out this tidbit about Chicuelo ... you see this info everywhere because it was in all his hamonia mundi press releases
"Thanks to a rapidly manifest talent, he was taken on as a pupil by both Manolo Sanlúcar and his brother, Isidro Muñoz. "
And this is what Chicuelo says about that in an interview...
"They've got you as star pupil of the Sanlúcars, of both Manolo and Isidro?"
"That is a mistake in the press release the recod label did. I was the first one to complain, but anyway, I suppose they just wanted to make me sound more important. But it's not true, ..."
Sean
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Date Oct. 16 2006 14:02:03
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