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metalhead

 

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New favorite player 

Diego Del Morao. I never gave him a listen because I stupidly felt like he was like the newer guys like antonio rey, etc. Boy I was wrong, everything I am listening to him from the past few days has been a blast. Seems like an even more refined version of Moraito while keeping the same groove! One more thing I liked him is he doesn't try to show off with lame picado scales
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silddx

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RE: New favorite player (in reply to metalhead

I love his work too. But try not to be judgemental about people like Antonio Rey.

I assume you've seen some video of DdM with Cigala?



And this beautiful solea



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Ricardo

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RE: New favorite player (in reply to metalhead

There was a time he was the most exciting new player. But he sort of stayed at the same level, his solo album was not what we expected based on his excellent accompaniments and rise to high reputation. Antonio Rey is orders of magnitude better, and keeps getting better.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 3 2025 12:12:27
 
Stu

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RE: New favorite player (in reply to Ricardo

Better how?

In all ways?

But seems to me they offer different things.

Diego happy to stay as accompanist? Antonio international soloist?

I saw Diego accompany Israel Fernandez in London last year. Just the two of them. It was deep and profound and intimate. Even in a reasonably big theatre.

I've seen Antonio a few times. But it's a different experience. Dancers, instruments etc paco esque. I've also seen him solo and it's more like a recital or appreciation society of his brilliance.
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johnnefastis

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RE: New favorite player (in reply to metalhead

quote:

Antonio Rey is orders of magnitude better, and keeps getting better.


But could he pull this off ?

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/DRC8AJ1jE7s
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silddx

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RE: New favorite player (in reply to Stu

quote:

I saw Diego accompany Israel Fernandez in London last year. Just the two of them. It was deep and profound and intimate. Even in a reasonably big theatre.


I really wanted to be there, but couldn't.

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silddx

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RE: New favorite player (in reply to johnnefastis

quote:

But could he pull this off ?

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/DRC8AJ1jE7s




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hxwhf72752003

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RE: New favorite player (in reply to metalhead

Diego is one of the most brilliant flamenco guitar players these years. His style is unique. I think he must have smoked a lot of cigars to write something that sounded weird and good.
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xirdneH_imiJ

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RE: New favorite player (in reply to Ricardo

Strong disagree, the difference between them is probably their ambition. Antonio will do anything to get the awards and the monies, Diego is happy to smoke his cigarettes and accompany, he's probably a lot lazier. But his style is unique and his left hand and rhythmical sense is the best out there. Picado-wise Antonio is obviously better and has a cleaner way of playing, but is also pretty damn boring after producing his third album in a row that's all designed to win him another latin grammy. I've stopped listening to Antonio's newer albums a while ago now. Meanwhile, Diego accompanying Israel Fernandez last year was the best concert I'd been to in ages.
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hxwhf72752003

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RE: New favorite player (in reply to xirdneH_imiJ

I'm with you. Antonio's songs are homogeneous IMP. But he is still a great guitarist.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 4 2025 6:35:52
 
xirdneH_imiJ

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RE: New favorite player (in reply to hxwhf72752003

Oh he's absolutely amazing technically and he certainly has the capacity to create memorable pieces. His first two albums are top class, I just wish he had continued in that direction.
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Manitas de Lata

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RE: New favorite player (in reply to metalhead

Diego has unique style , altough it sounds and if you see close its allways the same... , good to hear sometimes... and thats it....

And ive got a nice proof for what i said , Diego himself... , he said manytimes that he should in the past study and pratice a lot more...and that hes stucked.
for what i realized , hes not a "pro" or playing isnt his main activity, he has a job.

Moraito was a pro and had many others skills/resources that Diego doesnt have, he could play any palo alone or not on high level , traditional or more modern etc
You cant compare....
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metalhead

 

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RE: New favorite player (in reply to Manitas de Lata

quote:

for what i realized , hes not a "pro" or playing isnt his main activity, he has a job.


I don't believe it. did he explicity say he has a job? I'm guessing even if he has a job, it's likely a trade business
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 5 2025 12:44:03
 
Ricardo

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RE: New favorite player (in reply to Stu

quote:

Diego happy to stay as accompanist? Antonio international soloist?


Antonio was an accompanist. One of the best I have seen for dance etc. He was pushed to do his first solo album by Nuñez, who also at the same time featured Diego and others on "nueva escuela". This was because he recognized that the great accompanists were working and evolving the music of flamenco guitar, behind the scenes so to speak. I did not like Antonio's first album. Neither did he apparently... he said he did not have much to record and had to throw it together. Soon after, maybe 2007, I saw him with Tuto Fernandez accompany Farruco family (both brothers), and have to say he was far and away a better player than any I had seen, which did not project on his album at all. I had also seen Diego accompany in Spain and it was "weird" and perhaps ahead of his time in 1999 or 2000, can't remember. I was engaged with his playing as accompanist, but understand it was NOT like Antonio Rey who was massively on the game. Like the better guys Cepero, Manolo Franco, etc., that understand how to accompany. But he was with Farucos so you know, very aggressing things happen with the baile. Tuto as well (he had short lived fame with that one buleria as well).

I am not ever seeing Diego in that category since then. I loved his style at one point, as I said, around the time he played of recordings for Nina Pastori (which is border line pop music), and of course his best work was with Potito (camaronero but still great). Then finally his solo album came out, and was basically a rehash of everything he had already recorded. That Rondeña -ish tuned soleá was nice but it does not project as it should when he accompanied Montse in the movie...and as the piece that is the recreation of the Fernanda/Paco del Gastor piece, it was weak (it was important to make strong lasting statement here IMO). Meanwhile Antonio was doing more solo stuff and still accompanying Faruquito etc. His next two solo albums were really head and shoulders above his peers in his generation. Only perhaps Tomatito was making music that good (and by sticking to his normal formula, talking about soy flamenco).

When Moraito died and they had that homenaje, the accompaniment style of all the participants was weak. Well there was the one guy with the Conde that was good, forgot his name already. Diego played for Torta and it was so poor, that Torta just started singing over his falsetas. I was like "come on that was his dad man!!!". But if you guys think his playing has changed since then, I have missed out on it. I will check the Isreal thing (I pretty much know what to expect but maybe they have changed the style a bit?). hopefully someone can link me to the BEST of their performances?

I get that Antonio has put out weaker solo guitar stuff in past years, and there was that pandemic money grab where people thought he was playing a new concert and it was his DVD push play give me $25 type scam. But, I have not ever seen Diego play as well as what is in that DVD anyway. And those two twins that sing in unison was very good (his sister not good). Anyway maybe for everybody it is just taste. As I said, I was really into Diego at one time.

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metalhead

 

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RE: New favorite player (in reply to Ricardo

quote:

Diego played for Torta and it was so poor, that Torta just started singing over his falsetas.


do you happen to have a link? would be nice to see what constitutes as bad accompaniment
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metalhead

 

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RE: New favorite player (in reply to Ricardo

this one it?

https://youtu.be/U7BuglyDmCA?si=f-npmNMqBUpeC9JM&t=3745
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devilhand

 

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RE: New favorite player (in reply to Ricardo

quote:

Diego played for Torta and it was so poor, that Torta just started singing over his falsetas.

If he had played his father's famous falseta, it would never have happened.



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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 6 2025 8:44:34
 
silddx

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RE: New favorite player (in reply to metalhead

quote:

this one it?

https://youtu.be/U7BuglyDmCA?si=f-npmNMqBUpeC9JM&t=3745


I found that uninspiring, shame.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 6 2025 13:10:44
 
xirdneH_imiJ

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RE: New favorite player (in reply to Ricardo

Antonio still sits in for Diego for some of Israel's performances. The two are good friends so they've collaborated quite a bit. Diego seems to have matured recently and his accompaniment was very apt I thought, he didn't overplay, and he didn't play the super complicated and syncopated falsetas that we can appreciate as guitarists, but ultimately they're not very enjoyable in that setting. If Antonio weren't so commercially minded he'd be regarded as the undisputed best for sure. I loved his first two albums, I like the composing and the rawness of them.
Diego is indeed lazy when it comes to his career it seems, technically he also has everything (perhaps not the picados, which he can play, but not nearly at the level of Antonio).
In my mind the current best player out there is Alejandro Hurtado, but he's got a lot ahead of him yet and I'd like to see him more as an accompanist too.
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devilhand

 

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RE: New favorite player (in reply to xirdneH_imiJ

quote:

he didn't overplay, and he didn't play the super complicated and syncopated falsetas that we can appreciate as guitarists

This interview with Diego back in 2010 says it all.

"I don’t want to become type-cast as a solo player, because I want to maintain my career as an accompanist."

"I’m not a spectacular guitarist, and I don’t have brilliant technique, no way.  I prefer to play two well-placed notes that say something.  And it’s not a question of minimalism, because you may think I’m a know-it-all, but just simplifying things would be more appropriate."

http://web.archive.org/web/20120217095306/http://www.deflamenco.com/revista/paginai.jsp?codigo=2891

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Stu

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RE: New favorite player (in reply to devilhand

yes thats kinda how i see him.

also this

”It may sound like a bit much, but as far as I’m concerned, I’m fine in Jerez, I would never leave, this is plenty for me, it’s something very special”

thats why i like him.

but i agree and appreciate all the points made for and against both players.
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Manitas de Lata

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RE: New favorite player (in reply to devilhand

hes got a career , and playing guitar isnt is main career...
and i think he isnt based in jerez , maybe Sevilla cant recall

theres a nice interview that i posted somewhere at the forum, and he tells it all

Its one of these two... i think the first one



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Ricardo

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RE: New favorite player (in reply to xirdneH_imiJ

quote:

the current best player out there is Alejandro Hurtado,


He is so good it is ridiculous. Re-recording with Montoya's original guitar is right up my ally for some reason. But his own material is great.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 6 2025 18:35:51
 
Ricardo

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RE: New favorite player (in reply to metalhead

quote:

ORIGINAL: metalhead

this one it?

https://youtu.be/U7BuglyDmCA?si=f-npmNMqBUpeC9JM&t=3745


Yes. Not as "bad" as I remember. Just some awkward moments, which was a shame considering the circumstances. The guy who plays next Juan Diego Matos was very good, never heard of him before that. Maybe it was the singer too (Fernando), the guitar is right "in the pocket" with the singer, and the falsestas were inspiring. Everyone should want to play that well...I want to play that well! . The other players were a let down by comparison. Expectations were high, this was major event at the time.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 6 2025 18:49:53
 
metalhead

 

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RE: New favorite player (in reply to Ricardo

quote:

The guy who plays next Juan Diego Matos was very good


he did sound great. I checked his other videos, has great compas!
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 7 2025 12:59:37
 
devilhand

 

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RE: New favorite player (in reply to metalhead

Juan Diego Mateos shows his Bulerias falseta on this youtube channel.
This youtube channel belongs to some guy from the USA. Anyone know who he is? Foro member?



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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 7 2025 13:53:26
 
Manitas de Lata

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RE: New favorite player (in reply to devilhand

the interviewer (Danny Gil Romero) sounds spanish , not sure if fully.. , but he also speaks very well american/english but doesnt sound native.

i would say that he has some kind of spanish (south american maybe) background and lives in Spain for a long time..
Mexican , Cuban , Venezuela , you pick...
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mark indigo

 

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RE: New favorite player (in reply to Manitas de Lata

quote:

he also speaks very well american/english but doesnt sound native.


Sounds native English American (or American English?) speaker to me....

people can be completely bilingual eg. I have a close friend who grew up half and half UK and Andalucia. Sounds English when speaking English and Andalou when speaking Spanish.

plus several foro members from close to US-Mexican border... (hoping for a nice anecdote from Richard here... )

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estebanana

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RE: New favorite player (in reply to metalhead

Comparing AR and DdelM is like comparing a Chinese chicken salad from a restaurant in California to a NY Bagel with smoked salmon, capers and cream cheese.

I’ve seen AR with the Farruco, you need a drink afterwards to settle yourself down. I’ve heard Diego in person a few times. When he plays the audience politely listens to his solos cheers him and waits for him to accompany a singer. When he plays for the singer everyone settles down because they know for at least part of the cante Diego will shift gears into a Jerez pocket and ride it for all he can put into it. Then everyone forgives him for not being more like his dad, for just being a normal toasted authentic bagel with a glass of manzanilla.

AR is old and new at the same time. It’s chicken salad for sure, but chicken salad can be made fancy and served on good bread with an expensive wine, some experimental cheeses with sliced dragonfruits and almonds. It’s exotic and filling at the same time.

Bagel vs Chinese Chicken salad isn’t a fight, it’s just brunch and late lunch.

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RE: New favorite player (in reply to metalhead

quote:

he did sound great. I checked his other videos, has great compas!


fernando del morao or pepe del morao?
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