Cante for Farruca

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devilhand

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Cante for Farruca

Cante por Farruca? Jose Grecos book says cante por Farruca is old-fashioned, is only heard from time to time at private parties.

Looks like Farruca is hardly sung. There are not so many youtube videos.

What a nice intro at 0:00-1:15.

Luis Calderito on guitar again.

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Ricardo

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RE: Cante for Farruca (in reply to devilhand)

Tangos de Malaga is more cantable

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 1 2022 17:44:13

Richard Jernigan

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RE: Cante for Farruca (in reply to Ricardo)

Mairena con Melchor de Mairena.

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mark indigo

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RE: Cante for Farruca (in reply to devilhand)

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Cante por Farruca?

farruca always popular with dancers, so it's sung for the baile

also jose menese recorded some

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devilhand

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RE: Cante for Farruca (in reply to Richard Jernigan)

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Mairena con Melchor de Mairena.

Melchor de Marchena?

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 2 2022 22:57:48

devilhand

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RE: Cante for Farruca (in reply to mark indigo)

Beatifully done. I wish Paco recorded it alone. One can hear his brother Ramon's playing as well. The accompaniment of Jose Menese is clearly based on this tune.
Do you guys think it's Paco's composition or it's taken from spanish folk music?

Farruca sounded different in the early 1900's.

https://youtu.be/G-FC-kUFC6U
https://youtu.be/mE_vSR6JFdA
https://youtu.be/1BFhRD8uIYw

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 2 2022 23:04:37

Richard Jernigan

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RE: Cante for Farruca (in reply to devilhand)

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ORIGINAL: devilhand

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Mairena con Melchor de Mairena.

Melchor de Marchena?

Yes, Marchena. Thanks for the correction. I believe I was thinking "Marchena," but unconsciously typed the wrong town.

RNJ

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 3 2022 22:47:25

Ricardo

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RE: Cante for Farruca (in reply to devilhand)

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Do you guys think it's Paco's composition or it's taken from spanish folk music?

Wow, I don’t get you at all man. What the heck? Next you posted three links and claim it sounds different back then, but it is the exact same darn song.

Flamenco forms are not someone’s composition, nor are they “Spanish folk music”. They are FLAMENCO song forms, and they are all from the same geography and likely origin, though THAT remains mysterious. Farruca is part of the package just like Tangos de Malaga. They can sing about Galicia all they want, but there is not a bunch of Farruca up there going on. This is Andalusian music period.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 4 2022 16:58:15

Mark2

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RE: Cante for Farruca (in reply to Ricardo)

I was watching a movie last night about the Cave of Altamira and was struck by the beauty of the area. Anyone ever spend time in the north? Is there any flamenco happening up there? Looks like an amazing place to visit.

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ORIGINAL: Ricardo

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Do you guys think it's Paco's composition or it's taken from spanish folk music?

Wow, I don’t get you at all man. What the heck? Next you posted three links and claim it sounds different back then, but it is the exact same darn song.

Flamenco forms are not someone’s composition, nor are they “Spanish folk music”. They are FLAMENCO song forms, and they are all from the same geography and likely origin, though THAT remains mysterious. Farruca is part of the package just like Tangos de Malaga. They can sing about Galicia all they want, but there is not a bunch of Farruca up there going on. This is Andalusian music period.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 4 2022 23:48:07

Ricardo

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RE: Cante for Farruca (in reply to Mark2)

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ORIGINAL: Mark2

I was watching a movie last night about the Cave of Altamira and was struck by the beauty of the area. Anyone ever spend time in the north? Is there any flamenco happening up there? Looks like an amazing place to visit.

One of the things that most surprised me when I got into flamenco is to learn how Spaniards view gitanos and flamenco, especially people from the north area there. The integration of Gitanos and this flamenco culture seem to have a lot to do with the small geography down in Andalucia surrounding the Guadalquivir/Cadiz. That is the source, and it later spread to the Levante, most likely this working class of miners (mineros) carried flamenco traditions (fandango mainly) with them eastward. Of course major cities invited professional artists (Madrid Barcelona etc), but for the most part, the gitanos were marginalized elsewhere so if you find flamenco artists it is unusual. Sabicas for example learned flamenco guitar from vinyl records of Montoya, such that flamencos were shocked that a guy from Pamplona knew how to play so well, not being from “the cradle”. It was still the case into the 1970s, even though flamenco had already become global. I met a family from Aragon and the young daughter loved to dance, not just Jotas and stuff but flamenco as well. Mama could not comprehend why her daughter wanted to do the dance of “those gypsies”, as she remembered how they had to gather them ALL up in her town and “get rid” of them. That would not have been too long ago.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 5 2022 16:39:02

devilhand

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RE: Cante for Farruca (in reply to Ricardo)

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but it is the exact same darn song.

Harmonically? But the melody is revised in Paco's version. So it sounds different to me.

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tf10music

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RE: Cante for Farruca (in reply to Mark2)

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I was watching a movie last night about the Cave of Altamira and was struck by the beauty of the area. Anyone ever spend time in the north? Is there any flamenco happening up there? Looks like an amazing place to visit.

I lived in Cantabria for a year a while back. It's a really pretty part of the country, but as far as I was able to tell, there was minimal flamenco going on. The regional music there is much more Celtic in origin.

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Richard Jernigan

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RE: Cante for Farruca (in reply to Ricardo)

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ORIGINAL: Ricardo
I met a family from Aragon and the young daughter loved to dance, not just Jotas and stuff but flamenco as well. Mama could not comprehend why her daughter wanted to do the dance of “those gypsies”, as she remembered how they had to gather them ALL up in her town and “get rid” of them. That would not have been too long ago.

Some years ago I met a friend of a friend. He raised toros bravos in Andalucia, and said he "hated flamenco."

In 1991 I took the daughter of one of my best American friends out to dinner in Madrid. She was attending university there. She spoke fluent Spanish before goiing to Spain, since her mother was from Mexico City, and they often spoke Spanish at home while she was growing up.

During dinner at Botín we were almost constantly serenaded by the tuna from her university. (She favors one of her Mexican aunts, a fair skinned blue-eyed strawberry blonde.) While the tuna briefly moved to another table, she mentioned that Gitanos had killed a policeman the previous week, presumably because he had arrested a member of their clan.

I was astonished. She was a little suprised at my reaction. I explained that if it had happened while Franco was still alive, the Guardía Civíl would have gone out and killed the first 25 Gitanos they came across.

Then they might have begun to investigate who actually killed the policeman.

RNJ

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