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tk

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palmas for bulerias 

Hi all,

I am trying to find a simple palmas for bulerias (clapping only (equal clapping) without accentuation on any particular tempo) at 210,220,230 speed but can't find it.

If I am not clear in my request I can explain it further.

does anyone have any?

thanks in advance,

TK

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 13 2022 17:55:05
 
kitarist

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RE: palmas for bulerias (in reply to tk

Did you see this, for example?



I just googled "palmas 220 flamenco"(without the quotes). Try it with your other two tempos too.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 13 2022 18:20:03
 
tk

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RE: palmas for bulerias (in reply to tk

I have seen that but that's not equal clapping. It is accentuated for every 3-6-8-10...

I want it equal.

TK

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 13 2022 18:54:53
 
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RE: palmas for bulerias (in reply to tk

metronome with a clapping sound?
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Ricardo

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RE: palmas for bulerias (in reply to tk

Make it on your phone by clapping what you want with a metronome and load it to YouTube. You are welcome.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 13 2022 19:38:59
 
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RE: palmas for bulerias (in reply to tk

This may help you. If you want palmas, select Claras in Mixer (above the play button).

https://acompas.org/#/

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 13 2022 19:40:56
 
tk

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RE: palmas for bulerias (in reply to Ricardo

wow thanks, great idea....

I want it to sound professionally. It thought it exists.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 13 2022 20:14:03
 
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RE: palmas for bulerias (in reply to Ricardo



Actually exactly the background of this bulerias you are playing but with tempos like 210,220,230

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 13 2022 20:17:50
 
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RE: palmas for bulerias (in reply to Mark2

yes

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 14 2022 18:10:32
 
kitarist

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RE: palmas for bulerias (in reply to devilhand

quote:

ORIGINAL: devilhand

This may help you. If you want palmas, select Claras in Mixer (above the play button).

https://acompas.org/#/


This is good and in active development (and free open source). Lots of tweaking options. I found it a couple of years ago (likely was much more limited back then) but had forgotten about it.

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tk

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RE: palmas for bulerias (in reply to kitarist

thank you Konstantin. I believe that's the closest to what I was looking for.

The ultimate one would have been the background of what Ricardo is playing here:



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Grisha

 

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RE: palmas for bulerias (in reply to tk

I like this track.

  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 15 2022 21:45:02
 
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RE: palmas for bulerias (in reply to Grisha

quote:

ORIGINAL: Grisha

I like this track.




That sounds literally like the one Todd made (from Poveda and Luis el Zambo) that I have used for years.

I know what he wants though…he wants something like this minus tomatito:



I recommend getting two metronomes going and set ‘em apart as contras.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 16 2022 17:12:46
 
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RE: palmas for bulerias (in reply to tk

Exactly

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 18 2022 16:54:57
 
tk

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RE: palmas for bulerias (in reply to Ricardo

Ricardo, but do you agree that the palmas in this video where you are playing is different than the one Grisha is suggesting?



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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 18 2022 18:37:11
 
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RE: palmas for bulerias (in reply to tk

quote:

Ricardo, but do you agree that the palmas in this video where you are playing is different than the one Grisha is suggesting?


To be crystal clear:

In the video you keep linking, that track is either my palmas or Todd’s palmas set to loops and then constructed randomly as a stereo track to play over top. It might be that is the same exact track Todd used for one of his own videos back in those years, I don’t remember. Realizing that the sound was not always 100% authentic sounding (mainly the looped bits are too short so it sounds “fake”), Todd later cut and pasted a bit from Poveda’s “Que borrachera” track where they were not singing. I remember the loop he created which lasted only a few minutes, started on count 3 (or 9, as they are a pattern of 6 as normal), and I was worried people practicing with it would think that was the 12 or 6. We (or I at least) used that track for many years to demonstrate short things or falsetas at a medium tempo with a true or authentic feel behind it that metronomes did not provide, nor most fake loop tracks. I was just pointing out that what Grisha posted sounds like the exact same track someone imported and extended.

You might realize that in the modern era the type of palmas Tomatito had going in that video, has gone extinct with most modern recordings preferring a more basic loop, so that the syncopations “pop” out. I agree that I prefer when the palmas dobles or straight time contratiempos lay down under the falsetas, at least in special spots. I guess you want that sound for practicing purposes without the pattern changing. I get it why you want that, even if it is not a practical request. I know that Dr. Compas would “improvise” patterns so you learn how to play against a percussion and palmas back up that is changing and not “arranged” to fit your falsetas perfectly. It was nice when the doble palmas came in in the right spot with your falseta. But the straight constant thing is pretty old fashioned and hard to find. I can only suggest creating it yourself if you really must have it to practice with. Perhaps someone can create a loop from the opening of the Tomatito track? Or just email Todd for cryin out loud!

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 19 2022 17:04:28
 
tk

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RE: palmas for bulerias (in reply to Ricardo

Ok perfect. I get it now. for some reason I thought I would be able to find something like that fairly easily but I guess it is not the case.

thanks for all the feedback

TK

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 19 2022 17:34:21
 
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RE: palmas for bulerias (in reply to tk

quote:

It is accentuated for every 3-6-8-10...


Not really. The "thump" is even at every 2; the palmas do only two unique patterns of length 4 each:

(Q E E Q Q) x 2 , Q Q E E Q where the bolded indicates where the bass thump is (or I suppose only four unique sounds - Q, E with thump and without).

All the Qs are the same; no innate accents; and all the Es are as well. So going by the bass thumps, it is every 2 ad infinitum with some asymmetry (but no accents) in the palmas pattern.

But you are arranging that in your head as (and the pattern starts from the beginning that way, to suggest it):

Q E E Q Q , Q Q E E Q , Q E E Q Q

and your brain starts imagining rhythmic accents instead like this, for the first "half":

Q E E Q Q , Q Q E E Q , Q E E Q Q


Anyway I realize you actually want only E E E E but Joonas's pattern is more neutral than you think.

You can also take only one of his two palmas patterns and loop it to make an even more neutral palmas track.

Or even do something like E E E E E E .... or E E E E E E E E by cutting and looping a subset of his patterns.

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