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Kaloguitarist
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Many people don’t realize they are making any mistakes, so you are way ahead of the game.
Thanks Ricardo! The problem I am having is on my Arps. I will play it clean on some parts and then out of no where my fingers slip...
Ramzi a.k.a El Rumbero has this awesome Buleria that he wrote and I have learned it and can play it with Dr. Compas at 154 to 160 bpm.
It has been a year and when I first started to learn...Of course I played it SUPER slow. But why am I still not accurate? I played it slow, medium, fast etc.
Solea, is the same, but, not as bad but still i am not as accurate as I want to be.
I swear if there were exercises I could do with supervision and I was told to do them for ONE YEAR SLOW at 55 bpm and no compas or falsetta until then, I would do it if I knew it would help.
But, what exercises do I practice, I know get a teacher! And, I will before I finally move on.
Kalo
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Date Mar. 22 2022 20:06:54
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Kaloguitarist
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My arpeggios improved quite a bit in six months by doing planting exercises. Place your thumb on the bass note and your i finger on the g string, m finger on b string, and a finger on the high e string. Plant them on the strings.
Now, play one note at a time without moving the other fingers off the strings they are on. Change up the order that you play the notes.
Another exercise is to reverse the i,m, and a fingers so that you are resting your index on the high e, your "m" finger on the b string and your "a" finger on the g string. Plant them. Now play the arpeggio backwards and forwards.
These exercises have really cleaned up my arpeggios and allowed me to play solea por buleria in particular with more clarity and speed.
Hi Mark2,
I have been working on planting and have been doing what you have been doing...I started doing this a month ago...
How long did you see results? Did you still play falsetta's while practicing plant or did you just practice technique.
I do the planting with a metronome slow...
See I think what I am starting to wonder is am I practicing the right way?
For example: I played lots of scales for speed on picado and felt I wasn't making good progress. Then one day I realized that I need to isolate my right hand and do staccato work. So, what I did is play all open strings first starting with 4 beats alternating staccato at quarter notes, eight notes, triplets then sixteen notes. All of this is done slow with in 55 bpm. Then I worked some chromatic scales. This seems to help lots, but, here is where I think a teacher will help. Is this correct path to becoming better?
I feel like I am forever walking into the forest only to never find my way out....
There are so many cool teachers....Grisha, Ricardo, etc. and THEY ARE AWESOME PLAYERS......How do I pick what teacher will be right for me?
Some teachers mite say to work on compas, falseta and technique all at the same time...The other line of teachers mite say to work strictly on technique and the once you have a solid foundation start learning palos.
Being that I jumped in and just started learning with really not working a lot on technique, I am thinking maybe of going back to the beginning and revamping everything. Even if that means starting over from scratch and doing exercises. But that is where I am hoping a teacher will help evaluate me to see. Give me the right kind of practice to make progress.
I am tired of doing this all on my own..
Kalo
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Date Mar. 22 2022 22:42:08
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Mark2
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From: San Francisco
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RE: Talent (in reply to Kaloguitarist)
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I'd say it took two-three months before I saw results, and I'm still improving. I also spend time learning falsetas, playing along with records, etc-I do technique for an hour or so, then move on.
I've been studying flamenco since the early 80's and have studied with many teachers. I haven't taken lessons for many years until two years ago when i signed up for weekly lessons with Tino online. I've learned so much in the two years I've been doing it. Feedback from a teacher is critical, so is recording yourself if you expect to improve. Sign up with Tino! Or Ricardo! Or Grisha!
You can't go wrong-just do it!
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My arpeggios improved quite a bit in six months by doing planting exercises. Place your thumb on the bass note and your i finger on the g string, m finger on b string, and a finger on the high e string. Plant them on the strings.
Now, play one note at a time without moving the other fingers off the strings they are on. Change up the order that you play the notes.
Another exercise is to reverse the i,m, and a fingers so that you are resting your index on the high e, your "m" finger on the b string and your "a" finger on the g string. Plant them. Now play the arpeggio backwards and forwards.
These exercises have really cleaned up my arpeggios and allowed me to play solea por buleria in particular with more clarity and speed.
Hi Mark2,
I have been working on planting and have been doing what you have been doing...I started doing this a month ago...
How long did you see results? Did you still play falsetta's while practicing plant or did you just practice technique.
I do the planting with a metronome slow...
See I think what I am starting to realize is.....Am I practicing the right way? For example: I played lots of scales for picado until one day I realized that I need to isolate my right hand and do staccato work. So, what I did is play all open strings first starting with 4 beats alternating staccato at quarter notes, eight notes, triplets then sixteen notes. All of this is done slow with in 55 bpm. Then I will do this for chromatic scales. This seems to help lots, but, here is where I think a teacher will help. Is this correct path to becoming better? Do I stop playing falsetta's and compas?
Strictly work on technique and what is the best possible way to work to get better....
I feel like I am forever walking into the forest only to never find my way out....
There are so many cool teachers....Grisha, Ricardo, etc. and THEY ARE AWESOME PLAYERS......How do I pick what teacher will be right for me?
Some teachers mite say to work on compas, falseta and technique all at the same time...The other line of teachers mite say to work strictly on technique and the once you have a solid foundation start learning palos.
Being that I jumped in and just started learning with really not working a lot on technique, I am thinking maybe of going back to the beginning and revamping everything. Even if that means starting over from scratch and doing exercises. But that is where I am hoping a teacher will help evaluate me to see.
I am tired of doing this all on my own..
Kalo
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Date Mar. 22 2022 22:53:52
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Ricardo
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From: Washington DC
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RE: Talent (in reply to Kaloguitarist)
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Thanks Ricardo! The problem I am having is on my Arps. I will play it clean on some parts and then out of no where my fingers slip...
A simple mental thing I do when I keep coming up against a hiccup or technical obstacle at tempo. First, understand that in certain spots if you THINK you might screw it up in performance, then you absolutely WILL screw it up. It is a horrible thing like your brain is telling yourself to mess up on purpose. So, to do the opposite of that, think of a thing you can play blind folded and drunk right as you fall out of bed. Doesn’t matter what it is, strumming a D chord or something simple like that, tuning your guitar. Whatever THAT is, you sort of imagine that the harder thing is just like that natural.
For example, I can strum rumba dead on no problem ever guaranteed perfect every time. So that easy and natural thing I try to imagine into my picado, or arpeggio sequence, or fast pull off etc…it doesn’t matter that the compas is different like buleria or whatever complex thing… somehow it is a simple rumba and I nail it mentally, and if my fingers had ever drilled the thing correctly, the ease suddenly comes into it and I won’t mess it up.
Now of course things will happen unexpectedly and you have to just dismiss those things. The more you get natural with rhythm and relax the less those little unexpected slips will happen.
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Date Mar. 24 2022 13:24:39
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JasonM
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From: Baltimore
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RE: Talent (in reply to Kaloguitarist)
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That’s a great Jedi mind trick, Ricardo! I’m gonna try this. Mind over matter.
Kalo, I sort of struggle with the same issue… so your not alone. although, I often just accept the problem spot, and move on, then I come back to iron out the wrinkles. And maybe this isn’t the best way because I’m practicing my mistakes? But at the same time, I want to play the whole thing to make sure I can indeed tackle all the hard spots. It’s like a catch 22.
Right now I’m working on Ricardo’s Paco Tutorial 4, AGAIN still, and trying to get rid of the wrinkles that have frustrated me to the point insanity because I know I’m capable, but it just ain’t happening!
The only thing to get these stubborn things out (for me) is to work on that problem spot with a metronome, over and over, and try to be honest with myself about speed. It’s hard work and not a fun aspect of playing for me. Because, you might have it one day to find the next that you don’t have have to go back to it. Again uggh! Like Ricardo says, can you play it after falling out of bed in the morning half drunk lol?
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