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joevidetto

 

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Of Paco's Partituras official transcription books - which are most accurate ? If you have more than 2 or 3 - rate them in order of most accurate (number 1) to most mistakes.
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Mark2

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RE: Of Paco's Partituras official tr... (in reply to joevidetto

I have a bunch of Paco transcriptions-from the old M. Hass stuff, the Japanese books with standard notation only, a Leiva book, Faucher, random tabs etc.

I really can't rate them accurately. I find Faucher's hard to read. His handwriting makes some figures hard to make out.

I think the larger issue is that none of them will allow you to play the material. The work required to actually play the music dwarfs any written help. If you've put in that work, then regardless of a transcription, you can play it.

That said, for dabblers like myself transcriptions allow me to learn a falseta here and there, or just see how something is done without the painstaking work of doing it by ear.

Also when I do figure something out by ear, I'm too lazy to write it down, but I usually retain it.

Personally I like our own forum member Richard's Tabsflamenco.com work best. He gives you standard notation, tab, and GP files. And if you discover a mistake, he fixes it.
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RE: Of Paco's Partituras official tr... (in reply to Mark2

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I think the larger issue is that none of them will allow you to play the material. The work required to actually play the music dwarfs any written help.


works for me

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Ricardo

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RE: Of Paco's Partituras official tr... (in reply to joevidetto

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ORIGINAL: joevidetto

Of Paco's Partituras official transcription books - which are most accurate ? If you have more than 2 or 3 - rate them in order of most accurate (number 1) to most mistakes.


I agree with mark2 that if you are good enough to play the stuff, the inaccuracies are easy to repair, even with the worst score. But to answer your question:

Cañizares, sadly, only has one superior volume. Fuente y Caudal. He should have done the Zyryab, siroco and Luzia albums since he played all that on stage with the maestro himself. I suspect he already had done the work as a young man and it was easy to send off to the printers.

I don’t know about Almoraima. The Japanese one I have is similar to Faucher work, maybe not as good and not in tab. I can tell he didn’t use video. But they are not “official”, but I would hope the official one is more accurate.

Leiva books are just “ok” as I have stated, and I like that he did complete jobs, even if he didnt’ check videos for accuracy. Which leads to Berges..

Fantasia Flamenca...pretty good job but I suspect he copied Faucher for a lot of it. It has funny errors that I suspect are the Faucher typical “i will catch you stealing” things. I caught berges and encuentro “stealing” from Faucher’s Nunez buleria...tisk tisk....

Fabulosa...Levia needs to recycle and recall all those books that went out and redo that freakin mess. I mean it is not even the album complete and mixed up with duende and all wrong ...I mean really bad.... I tear up just looking at the cover because that amazing album deserves to be in proper score form for posterity.

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joevidetto

 

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RE: Of Paco's Partituras official tr... (in reply to joevidetto

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I don’t know about Almoraima.


Well - I'm a little biased because I studied with the author of the Almoraima book, but I would put that boook at the top of all transcriptions available for that album ...same with Enrique Vargas's books for Riqueni, Tomatito, El Viejin, and Pepe Habichuela.
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Ricardo

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RE: Of Paco's Partituras official tr... (in reply to joevidetto

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ORIGINAL: joevidetto

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I don’t know about Almoraima.


Well - I'm a little biased because I studied with the author of the Almoraima book, but I would put that boook at the top of all transcriptions available for that album ...same with Enrique Vargas's books for Riqueni, Tomatito, El Viejin, and Pepe Habichuela.


Oh that’s right, I have the viejin book, I always forget. I will check that one out again. I do remember it was very thorough...to the point the thick book only had a few pieces. I did like the book design.

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Mark2

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RE: Of Paco's Partituras official tr... (in reply to joevidetto

Anyone know where I can get book 3? Fuente.
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Filip

 

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RE: Of Paco's Partituras official tr... (in reply to joevidetto

Speaking about accuracy, how accurate/good is Guajiras de Lucia from Jorge Berges?
Somehow I have another one in my collection but don't know the transcriber.
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RE: Of Paco's Partituras official tr... (in reply to Filip

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ORIGINAL: Filip

Speaking about accuracy, how accurate/good is Guajiras de Lucia from Jorge Berges?
Somehow I have another one in my collection but don't know the transcriber.


It’s fine. I made a tutorial going through trouble spots.



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Mark2

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RE: Of Paco's Partituras official tr... (in reply to Guest

Thank you-freight was expensive but overall the cost is reasonable IMO.


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ORIGINAL: Mark2

Anyone know where I can get book 3? Fuente.


https://www.flamenco-spain.com/didactic-material-en-en/scores-and-sheet-music-en/fuente-y-caudal-paco-de-lucia-score-book.html
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Filip

 

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RE: Of Paco's Partituras official tr... (in reply to Ricardo

Thanks Ricardo! Yeah, your tutorial popped up in my head immediately, I remember it.
Since long time ago I wanted to play a falseta or two but it seems complicated and I never took the time to really try. Youtube recommended a video the other day so I'm hooked up again for it :)
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