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lowden

 

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Memorising music 

Do you guys have trouble remembering the music you learn.? I certainly start to forget after a couple of months. I can learn it quickly again but find it frustrating!!!
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Paul Magnussen

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RE: Memorising music (in reply to lowden

I now use the David Russell method: memorise the end first, and work backwards. That way you always know what comes next.
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Mavi

 

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RE: Memorising music (in reply to lowden

Here is what I do: Review everything you learn with decreasing frequencies until your performance starts to suffer more than you want. I review everything at least once per two weeks, and some stuff every week.

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I now use the David Russell method: memorise the end first, and work backwards. That way you always know what comes next.

That sounds interesting, I will try it, thanks.
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machopicasso

 

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RE: Memorising music (in reply to Paul Magnussen

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I now use the David Russell method: memorise the end first, and work backwards. That way you always know what comes next.


But what if you can't remember the beginning?!
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Piwin

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RE: Memorising music (in reply to lowden

That's one of the reasons why I've gradually started to abandon other people's tabs like I mentioned in that other thread. It's slower at the start, but I find that the time I spend working it out on my own helps to commit the music to long-term memory. It's just a personal impression though.

The idea of spaced repetition that Mavi mentions, where you gradually decrease the frequency with which you review something, has been shown to be an effective way to improve learning and long-term memorisation. I've never tried to apply that to music in any kind of structured way, but I've been wanting to give it a try.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Oct. 13 2020 9:32:14
 
lowden

 

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RE: Memorising music (in reply to Piwin

I've only recently started to play again and to be honest avoid tabs. I have a good Affedis collection as well😉. It's a slow and boring way to learn the guitar in my opinion. During lock down I decide to study with a teacher online and it's really working for me. I'm learning fast and correctly, an abundance of material weekly that I want to try and remember!! ( I do receive video clips after the lesson). A much better experience than solo learning wish I did it years ago👌
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Ricardo

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RE: Memorising music (in reply to lowden

Be able to sing whatever you are going to play. I don’t mean exact pitches but make some sound that corresponds to the exact rhythm of the phrases you are memorizing. Don’t need a guitar and can do mundane tasks while practicing this. Make sure you can sing EVERYTHING that you play in rhythm. I will get close pitches in lower octaves too but I know that is harder. Everybody should be able to sing a fast scale coming down diddle diddle diddle diddle diddle etc

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Oct. 13 2020 15:18:18
 
lowden

 

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RE: Memorising music (in reply to Ricardo

Great advice Ricardo. My teacher tells me this also. 👍
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mark indigo

 

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RE: Memorising music (in reply to Piwin

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That's one of the reasons why I've gradually started to abandon other people's tabs like I mentioned in that other thread. It's slower at the start, but I find that the time I spend working it out on my own helps to commit the music to long-term memory. It's just a personal impression though.


I have had EXACTLY same experience. I think with hindsight when I had a sheet in front of me I wasn't really listening or memorising, and it actually took LONGER to learn anything, and quicker to forget it. Learning from audio means that by the time I have figured out how to play something it is well memorised.

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Richard Jernigan

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RE: Memorising music (in reply to Ricardo

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ORIGINAL: Ricardo

Be able to sing whatever you are going to play. I don’t mean exact pitches but make some sound that corresponds to the exact rhythm of the phrases you are memorizing. Don’t need a guitar and can do mundane tasks while practicing this. Make sure you can sing EVERYTHING that you play in rhythm. I will get close pitches in lower octaves too but I know that is harder. Everybody should be able to sing a fast scale coming down diddle diddle diddle diddle diddle etc


This worked pretty well for Niño Ricardo and the great symphony conductor Arturo Toscanini, as you can hear on their recordings.

RNJ
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Oct. 13 2020 22:13:08
 
Ricardo

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RE: Memorising music (in reply to Richard Jernigan

quote:

ORIGINAL: Richard Jernigan

quote:

ORIGINAL: Ricardo

Be able to sing whatever you are going to play. I don’t mean exact pitches but make some sound that corresponds to the exact rhythm of the phrases you are memorizing. Don’t need a guitar and can do mundane tasks while practicing this. Make sure you can sing EVERYTHING that you play in rhythm. I will get close pitches in lower octaves too but I know that is harder. Everybody should be able to sing a fast scale coming down diddle diddle diddle diddle diddle etc


This worked pretty well for Niño Ricardo and the great symphony conductor Arturo Toscanini, as you can hear on their recordings.

RNJ


And Gould



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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Oct. 13 2020 22:59:37
 
JasonM

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RE: Memorising music (in reply to Ricardo

I need to work on this Shakti stuff too. Dickadum dickadum
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