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RE: Felipe Coelho on picado
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kitarist
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 RE: Felipe Coelho on picado (in reply to devilhand)
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I like how she chooses the optimal right hand position in this video at 0:47-2:00.
Starting at 0:14, this seems wrong to me:
Entire weight on the edge is what I had to unlearn, both for reasons of comfort (it is a lot of weight in my case) and to be able to lift my elbow and be much more fluid with the position as the piece demands. I'd also say the comfort of it is related to how much the guitar is tilted so the guitarist can see the fretboard from above rather than just from the side (i.e. the top of guitar toward the body). Classical people tend to have that tilt, resulting on the right arm sitting more on the top itself rather than right on the edge. With flamenco, I find there is virtually no tilt that way, so the weight would land straight on that edge and be much more uncomfortable.
So overall, I am pretty sure that piece of advice there is wrong, both in classical and especially in flamenco context - even if just understood for beginners. I'd immediately qualify it as "initial" or "tentative" and say something about learning later on not to rely on the bout/edge for support.
As for the A rest stroke tip, it is a cool 'rule of thumb', but insufficient. I'd say exactly the same tip can be applied, in that position, to M on B string, or I on G string (i.e. it is not special to A). Also again, classical people with that static positioning - "basic arpeggio position". I'll therefore say something like "note also the finger placement in relation to the string itself", à la Scott Tennant - in that way it does not rely on a particular finger or arpeggio position.
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Ricardo
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RE: Felipe Coelho on picado (in reply to Auda)
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ORIGINAL: Auda
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What's "at speed"? Let's say in terms of 4 notes per click/metronome beat, what metronome BPM would that be?
At speed is playing fast enough to convey the rapidity of the particular scale or passage. I'm not sure how fast as I can't really be too bothered with BPM in that sense anymore. I would say something beyond 192 with a 2 finger picado and so with ami I can play a bit faster. How far beyond depends on the day with both methods. I don't put to much stock in it as I am sure most folks can do the same. What is important for me now is how a scale or passage is played and that can take some time to approximate, especially with consistency. After that I might try to put my own spin on it if I can think of anything.
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Bpm is important because it makes fast runs have a musical implication which is timing and subdivision. Playing fast in the manner of the top level guys doesn’t mean a careless cramming of notes into a bar. It’s about controlling the rhythm divisions. As per my link above, I found it interesting that during their improvised solos during caña de Azucar, at a foot tap tempo of about 117 bpm, paco and Cañizares played around with triplet (groups of 6 notes per foot tap), however Banderas was not afraid to squeeze out a lovely 8 note per beat run. The only reason the other guys didn’t go for similar stuff is they weren’t feeling comfortable with it imo. Checking this deeper, the fastest controlled 8s I have heard from PDL where at 115bpm. I’m quite convinced that players like Paco are quite aware of their personal thresholds on a metronome and keep within those limits on stage for musical reasons. It holds that all students and players should do the same.
Now I was wrong earlier when folks argued with me about cerreduela, however they where also wrong. I knew by feel it wasn’t 6’s, and they knew it wasn’t 8’s, and we argued, but it turned out to be smack in the middle...7, which is an odd (both strange and metrically odd) grouping to improvise with. At a faster tempo with less divisions one will find a similar issue with 4-5-6 Groupings. Rasgueados for example deal with that. Always good to be aware what Specific tempo different techniques will FEEL like, so you can be confident in the heat of the moment when playing.
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