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Brendan

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After SEVERAL MONTHS of study.... 

Much to enjoy here, puristas especially will have the pleasure of disliking pretty much all of it. You’re welcome.

https://youtu.be/yliXnfftN50

For everyone else: what she plays at the end sounds nothing like flamenco. So what is she missing, given that she has tried to get her head around it and has the education and fingers?

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1) anyone who just says ‘aire’ or ‘soniquete’ will be disqualified.

2) anyone who says ‘duende’ will be beaten to a pulp by the flamenco militia.

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Piwin

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RE: After SEVERAL MONTHS of study.... (in reply to Brendan

Alma.


Sounds nothing like flamenco perhaps, but sounds pretty much the same as every jazz pianist who's ever attempted to take on flamenco. Dunno, speaking jazz over a flamenco frame?
Personally I enjoyed it.

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Ricardo

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RE: After SEVERAL MONTHS of study.... (in reply to Brendan

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ORIGINAL: Brendan

Much to enjoy here, puristas especially will have the pleasure of disliking pretty much all of it. You’re welcome.

https://youtu.be/yliXnfftN50

For everyone else: what she plays at the end sounds nothing like flamenco. So what is she missing, given that she has tried to get her head around it and has the education and fingers?

Rules:

1) anyone who just says ‘aire’ or ‘soniquete’ will be disqualified.

2) anyone who says ‘duende’ will be beaten to a pulp by the flamenco militia.


Jeeezus that was hard to watch.... pretty much every beginner misconception in the book including Andalusian cadence vs modes etc.

Like any music student myself included, as we learn new things we incorporate them into our previous framework. What she is missing, and what I had to do myself after composing similar nonsense, is basic phrasing understanding. The only way to get it is to strip it down to fundamentals of the discipline, abandon the pointless improvisation and learn exact phrases note for note and understand how to incorporate them in functioning context. McLaughlin says in order to commune with musicians of others genres one needs to learn the rules and regulations of THAT music....learn the new discipline. When in Rome.... It’s a very difficult and humble thing to do but it has to happen that way, there are no short cuts.

This girl is too busy blogging to all her subscribers about everything she is learning to drop her protective ego and start from scratch. Good luck to her, but it will only be meandering through life with her distorted view on personalized composition if she continues this way. And most importantly she needs to
1. Spell Grisha’s last name correctly
2. Splice out that nonsense between 9:40-9:45 or so.... it’s got to go.

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RE: After SEVERAL MONTHS of study.... (in reply to Brendan

Not like she's trying to write a flamenco piece, more like she's just incorporating some superficial knowledge (she didn't even have a proper teacher) about it to her music, and i think that's fine for the aim of the video. Hence "Flamenco, As Digested by a Classical Musician", and not "Flamenco, as digested by someone who wants to learn flamenco and play flamenco".
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joselito_fletan

 

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RE: After SEVERAL MONTHS of study.... (in reply to Brendan

OH My this came across my feed a couple of weeks ago, stopped watching after she met up with the cajon guy. Gonna rewatch
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joselito_fletan

 

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RE: After SEVERAL MONTHS of study.... (in reply to Moloko

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Not like she's trying to write a flamenco piece, more like she's just incorporating some superficial knowledge (she didn't even have a proper teacher) about it to her music, and i think that's fine for the aim of the video. Hence "Flamenco, As Digested by a Classical Musician", and not "Flamenco, as digested by someone who wants to learn flamenco and play flamenco".


Yup and she forgot to chew! (j.j)
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BarkellWH

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RE: After SEVERAL MONTHS of study.... (in reply to Ricardo

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This girl is too busy blogging to all her subscribers about everything she is learning to drop her protective ego and start from scratch.


Yup. Just one more self-absorbed blogger and instagrammer recording her life as if it mattered. Her followers don't know flamenco from samba, so they will be duly impressed. Flamenco Indigestion as Created by a Self-Described Classical Musician.

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JasonM

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RE: After SEVERAL MONTHS of study.... (in reply to Brendan

The you tube algorithm has been pushing this video into everyone’s feed. I definitely had a laugh at it, but in the end she just seems like she’s exploring to make videos.

What Ricardo said about needing to learn phrases note for note... I have heard this from a jazz guitarist too. You have to copy everyone else’s stuff in order to learn how to speak the language.
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Andy Culpepper

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RE: After SEVERAL MONTHS of study.... (in reply to Brendan

Obviously not perfect, but I think she made an honest attempt. This video really highlights the difficulty of wrapping your brain around flamenco at first, even (or maybe especially) for a trained musician.
For a few months in, I appreciate the effort she made. She never claimed to have mastered it. Just think back to where you were a few months into learning flamenco...
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szvarga

 

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RE: After SEVERAL MONTHS of study.... (in reply to Brendan

Besides the previous posts about her attitude, I see some things a bit more tangible musically.

For me, the magic of flamenco music is lies in technically simple melodies, even more simple harmonizations, BUT with amazingly creative ornamentations, and rhythmic creativity in a level hardly compares anything in western music. And with that melodic and harmonic simplicity, ornamental and rhythmic attitude, flamenco can tell very intense and deep stories.

As I see, she does just the opposite.

Playing no melodies at all, just put notes of phrygian mode one after another, without any melodic idea. She tries to make harmonization technically interesting somehow. Therefore, there is no space to ornament anything, or to make any rhythmic variations. And the final result is some music without telling anything. Nor intense, or deep, but nothing to tell at all.

The only thing she can tell me is: "I can use phrygian mode, I can make music in 12/4, I can play 'flamencoish' phrases, but I have nothing on earth to tell which requires that phrases, or 12/4, or phrygian mode."

Sz
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rasqeo77

 

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RE: After SEVERAL MONTHS of study.... (in reply to szvarga

I don’t really understand the negative comments to be honest. The video doesn’t purport to be anything other than what it is - an attempt by a classical musician to understand some of the very basic elements of flamenco in order to use some of those ideas in her improvisations. There’s no suggestion what she is doing is authentic flamenco. Clearly plenty of people are interested given the video has over 12k likes. I would imagine many of those people will have very little knowledge of flamenco so if it introduces the art to a wider audience good for her.
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Dudnote

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RE: After SEVERAL MONTHS of study.... (in reply to rasqeo77

I'm with you on that. Watching her video I was thinking "This is so removed from cante" and then, right at the end, she states that she is aware that she has neglected song and dance and that they are the most important aspects. So finally her music is what it is - flamenco inspired noodling with no relation to cante, and it's popular.... so it's completely unclear to me whether that makes her video more "self absorbed" than a typical post on foro flamenco.

Personally, I'd like to see her delve deeper into cante accomp - but I suspect that isn't going to happen.

And on the flip side - given how long it takes to become accomplished whilst maintaining a strict respect for tradition, you can completely understand why someone who has travelled far on that route would feel exasperated by the rapid popularity of those that chose to neglect all the hard stuff.

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Ricardo

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RE: After SEVERAL MONTHS of study.... (in reply to rasqeo77

quote:

ORIGINAL: rasqeo77

I don’t really understand the negative comments to be honest. The video doesn’t purport to be anything other than what it is - an attempt by a classical musician to understand some of the very basic elements of flamenco in order to use some of those ideas in her improvisations. There’s no suggestion what she is doing is authentic flamenco. Clearly plenty of people are interested given the video has over 12k likes. I would imagine many of those people will have very little knowledge of flamenco so if it introduces the art to a wider audience good for her.


Well I am a professional player and what I see here is somehow painful to watch. Perhaps it’s the pseudo educational aspect coupled by the fact she has a large following...yet another mountain of misconception that teachers like myself and others will have to unravel for new students. The comments reveal even more depth of the ignorance : “oh how I loved your flamenco version of Chopin and bach”.... for example. But these complaints of mine are nothing new... it’s pretty much how it always goes, the simple and cute superficial thing goes main stream, the over emphasis of the wrong thing like 12 patterns and such, the phrygian mode, etc etc on and on it goes.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jun. 23 2019 15:53:38
 
szvarga

 

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RE: After SEVERAL MONTHS of study.... (in reply to rasqeo77

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I don’t really understand the negative comments to be honest.


As I see, the original question concerns what is she missing, why she doesn't sound flamenco, while she uses all the well known flamenco characteristics? (And this question sounds quite interesting, I think)

It's only about the piece she plays at the end of her video. I feel nothing wrong with all the rest.

Sz
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rasqeo77

 

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RE: After SEVERAL MONTHS of study.... (in reply to Ricardo

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ORIGINAL: Ricardo

Well I am a professional player and what I see here is somehow painful to watch. Perhaps it’s the pseudo educational aspect coupled by the fact she has a large following...yet another mountain of misconception that teachers like myself and others will have to unravel for new students. The comments reveal even more depth of the ignorance : “oh how I loved your flamenco version of Chopin and bach”.... for example. But these complaints of mine are nothing new... it’s pretty much how it always goes, the simple and cute superficial thing goes main stream, the over emphasis of the wrong thing like 12 patterns and such, the phrygian mode, etc etc on and on it goes.


What was wrong about what was said about the 12-beat compás and the Phrygian mode? Don’t flamenco guitar methods also cover these? Not trying to be argumentative - I genuinely want to understand what was factually wrong as I’m not an advanced player.

I agree with you about the popularity of cute superficial things - I find that equally annoying. I just don’t think this was particularly superficial in the sense that it isn’t intended to be in-depth or aimed at anyone other than complete novices. I think she genuinely wants to understand more about flamenco but probably doesn’t have 8 hours a day to spend on it for the next 10 years.
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rasqeo77

 

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RE: After SEVERAL MONTHS of study.... (in reply to szvarga

quote:

ORIGINAL: szvarga

quote:

I don’t really understand the negative comments to be honest.


As I see, the original question concerns what is she missing, why she doesn't sound flamenco, while she uses all the well known flamenco characteristics? (And this question sounds quite interesting, I think)

It's only about the piece she plays at the end of her video. I feel nothing wrong with all the rest.

Sz


I agree the original question is interesting. To me the reason it doesn’t sound flamenco is because as a newcomer to the genre she is not versed in the language of flamenco. She is like someone learning a new language - she’s learned a few new words and some rules of grammar but she doesn’t yet know how to apply them in an authentic way. Like a language learner, she needs to spend a good few years completely immersed in the new language and culture. Then it’s almost inevitable that she would learn how to apply it.
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Piwin

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RE: After SEVERAL MONTHS of study.... (in reply to Ricardo

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Spell Grisha’s last name correctly


I just noticed. And "Gorkachev" wasn't the only one whose name got butchered. Pepe Romero became Romano. Careful, you might turn up in part II as Ricardo Merlot.

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joselito_fletan

 

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RE: After SEVERAL MONTHS of study.... (in reply to Piwin

quote:

I just noticed. And "Gorkachev" wasn't the only one whose name got butchered. Pepe Romero became Romano. Careful, you might turn up in part II as Ricardo Merlot.


LOL that was gold!
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Dudnote

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RE: After SEVERAL MONTHS of study.... (in reply to rasqeo77

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ORIGINAL: rasqeo77
What was wrong about what was said about the 12-beat compás and the Phrygian mode? Don’t flamenco guitar methods also cover these? Not trying to be argumentative - I genuinely want to understand what was factually wrong as I’m not an advanced player.


The phrygian thing gets discussed here a lot. You could search the archives. My modest understanding of what you will find there is that it (and western music theory in general) is (are) not the best way to see flamenco because there are plenty of times when the melodies of Flamenco move out of that box. Better to learn the vocabulary, melodies and rules of Flamenco - for example, knowing what can typically happen when accompanying "por medio" or "por arriba" is a good/classic starting point. Each palos has its rules and structure - so if you skimp learning these details you will only sound "Spanishy" at best.

My favourite comment under her video... "El Nino Miguel. What a genius he was." Ole!!

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jun. 24 2019 6:54:46
 
rasqeo77

 

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RE: After SEVERAL MONTHS of study.... (in reply to Dudnote

quote:

ORIGINAL: Dudnote

quote:

ORIGINAL: rasqeo77
What was wrong about what was said about the 12-beat compás and the Phrygian mode? Don’t flamenco guitar methods also cover these? Not trying to be argumentative - I genuinely want to understand what was factually wrong as I’m not an advanced player.


The phrygian thing gets discussed here a lot. You could search the archives. My modest understanding of what you will find there is that it (and western music theory in general) is (are) not the best way to see flamenco because there are plenty of times when the melodies of Flamenco move out of that box. Better to learn the vocabulary, melodies and rules of Flamenco - for example, knowing what can typically happen when accompanying "por medio" or "por arriba" is a good/classic starting point. Each palos has its rules and structure - so if you skimp learning these details you will only sound "Spanishy" at best.



Okay thanks. Yes I’d agree with that. As I said though, there are plenty of flamenco guitar methods that make the same mistake then. And they are claiming to teach real flamenco, whereas she isn’t.
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JasonM

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RE: After SEVERAL MONTHS of study.... (in reply to rasqeo77

Most teaching methods over emphasize the counting thing. Flamenco guitar at its roots is nothing more than phrygian dominant scales over Andalusian cadence. Thats all you need.

Other augmentations are to give yourself a spanish sounding name (Jasonito del Toro) or wear a sombrero hat)

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RE: After SEVERAL MONTHS of study.... (in reply to Brendan

After a few months of study I thought “I’m learning so much so quickly I should be able to play a whole Paco piece in a year or so.”
I didn’t grasp exactly how ignorant that thought was. Looking back now 6/7 years later I can see how just making that statement really showed the superficial level of knowledge I had.
I get where she’s coming from after I spent some months learning I wanted to show everyone how much I learned and how awesome I was but it wasn’t till a few years later I realized that I should have been MUCH more humble about my level of knowledge. As years tick by and I lean more what I really learn is how little I actually know.

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kitarist

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RE: After SEVERAL MONTHS of study.... (in reply to Leñador

this seems applicable yet again..



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Mark2

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RE: After SEVERAL MONTHS of study.... (in reply to Leñador

I can relate, and I think it's natural that when learning something new, and being excited about it, to want to share it. But, it's like those intermediate players who think they are ready to teach "beginners". Beginners need expert instruction as much as anyone. If she had an expert showing her the ropes, that video likely wouldn't exist.

After 35 plus years involved with flamenco, I've reached expert status, in that I now realize I know almost nothing about it. I could have explained to her that she knows less than that.



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ORIGINAL: Leñador

After a few months of study I thought “I’m learning so much so quickly I should be able to play a whole Paco piece in a year or so.”
I didn’t grasp exactly how ignorant that thought was. Looking back now 6/7 years later I can see how just making that statement really showed the superficial level of knowledge I had.
I get where she’s coming from after I spent some months learning I wanted to show everyone how much I learned and how awesome I was but it wasn’t till a few years later I realized that I should have been MUCH more humble about my level of knowledge. As years tick by and I lean more what I really learn is how little I actually know.
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BarkellWH

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RE: After SEVERAL MONTHS of study.... (in reply to Leñador

Great chart, Konstantin, and applicable to much more than flamenco. In just about any field there are plenty of people who don't know what they don't know and thus think they know everything.

Bill

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RE: After SEVERAL MONTHS of study.... (in reply to BarkellWH

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ORIGINAL: BarkellWH

Great chart, Konstantin, and applicable to much more than flamenco. In just about any field there are plenty of people who don't know what they don't know and thus think they know everything.

Bill


You are right, Bill, it sure is. Here's another related version, where the initial hump is named Mount Stupid ("wisdom" to be read as "knowledge+experience").



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chester

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RE: After SEVERAL MONTHS of study.... (in reply to Brendan

This thread is dripping with irony.
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RE: After SEVERAL MONTHS of study.... (in reply to Brendan

quote:

If she had an expert showing her the ropes, that video likely wouldn't exist.


Yep. She would have been made to feel so stupid she wouldn't have done it. Result!

In fact she has done a lot of these takes, Blues, Funk, Minimalist, Ragtime even. She seems to be a musical omnivore which maybe befits a graduate of Juilliard and the Royal Conservatory of Music in Toronto. She certainly has chops and rhythm to spare. The odd thing is, she uses the same left hand oblique groove figure in several of them.

I also don't feel the snide remarks about trivial and self important blogs are fair - internet tech makes it possible and easy to post passing thoughts that have less value than Thomas Mann, say. But that is not what they're for - they are to be consumed, shrugged at and maybe liked. I doubt many would be diverted to flamenco puro from her thoughts but I doubt that was her intention. She seems to be doing plenty else of significance. It's the same thing that makes people want to post their thoughts on places like this.

Why it wasn't remotely flamenco? I wonder that if a guitar could be played like a piano, the music would have sounded different? Yes. Do the restrictions on the playing of the guitar lead to a musical identity, yes. If she were to pause and hear what she had just played a bit more, then yes. Had she played less and felt more then yes. She looked at the compas, phrygian dominant and Andalusian cadence which are all significant. But if you were to tell a Martian to build four continuous vertical structures and three horizontal structures of the same size I doubt you would get a house.
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RE: After SEVERAL MONTHS of study.... (in reply to Brendan

Okay. My carefull attempt on why it does not sound flamenco to me...

Maybe the sound level is to constant. I tend to prefer a wider spread of volume between forecefull rasquado's and melodies.

I like the dry sound of the falmeco guitar due to short sutain which gives the music its pulsation. Thus there should be more absence of sound between indivudual notes. Also not every beat neats to have a note. And also maybe pick a different sound than this suistained piano sound.

But all in all, great piano skills and kudo's for trying.
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RE: After SEVERAL MONTHS of study.... (in reply to El Burdo

I don't see it that way. A good teacher doesn't make the student feel stupid, but they also don't give them the false assumption that they know more than they do. They demonstrate through their expertise just how much the student needs to learn. Since this lady is such an accomplished musician, maybe she should have had a bit more insight based on the obvious amount of study she had done into other music. Personally I saw the video a few weeks ago, and had no reaction. But I don't care about flamenco played on a piano at all.



quote:

ORIGINAL: El Burdo

quote:

If she had an expert showing her the ropes, that video likely wouldn't exist.


Yep. She would have been made to feel so stupid she wouldn't have done it. Result!

In fact she has done a lot of these takes, Blues, Funk, Minimalist, Ragtime even. She seems to be a musical omnivore which maybe befits a graduate of Juilliard and the Royal Conservatory of Music in Toronto. She certainly has chops and rhythm to spare. The odd thing is, she uses the same left hand oblique groove figure in several of them.

I also don't feel the snide remarks about trivial and self important blogs are fair - internet tech makes it possible and easy to post passing thoughts that have less value than Thomas Mann, say. But that is not what they're for - they are to be consumed, shrugged at and maybe liked. I doubt many would be diverted to flamenco puro from her thoughts but I doubt that was her intention. She seems to be doing plenty else of significance. It's the same thing that makes people want to post their thoughts on places like this.

Why it wasn't remotely flamenco? I wonder that if a guitar could be played like a piano, the music would have sounded different? Yes. Do the restrictions on the playing of the guitar lead to a musical identity, yes. If she were to pause and hear what she had just played a bit more, then yes. Had she played less and felt more then yes. She looked at the compas, phrygian dominant and Andalusian cadence which are all significant. But if you were to tell a Martian to build four continuous vertical structures and three horizontal structures of the same size I doubt you would get a house.
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