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Richard Jernigan

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RE: Motivation (in reply to jalalkun

I'm with you, Jalal. I tried to quit playing once. I was traveling so much on business that I had little time to practice. Degenerating technique was so frustrating I decided to quit. But when I got home, the guitar inevitably came out of the case. So I bought a flight case and started taking an instrument with me.

At the moment the base joint of my left thumb is a bit sore. Not really bad, but an occasional twinge. I'm traveling for a week, and decided to take a break. At my age, discretion is the better part of valor. But I'm going to miss my daily sessions...

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Leñador

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RE: Motivation (in reply to Richard Jernigan

I've also tried to say I'm temporarily quitting but I can't. I always inevitably pick it up and play, not practice per se, just playing things I enjoy. If you leave your guitars out of their case they get played, that's my experience at least. Luckily I have pretty similar humidity year round so leaving them out isn't a problem for the guitar, I just don't leave them by windows anymore.
I'm always motivated to play, I'm not always motivated to learn....

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Sr. Martins

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RE: Motivation (in reply to Richard Jernigan

“Banging some A and Bb everyday keeps the doctor away”

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Ruphus

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RE: Motivation (in reply to jalalkun

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ORIGINAL: jalalkun

once I start playing the motivation packs me by itself, it doesn't need much. just the sound of the guitar is enough. finding passion in what you do is the greatest motivation you can have, and this applies to everything actually. playing with other people and gigging of course can be a motivation to get better, but the foundation of everything is passion, IMHO.

Absolutely agreed.

A flabby and dull set of strings on my favorite guitar resulted in months of lost motivation until I swapped strings yesterday. Indicating how much sound and tactility matter to me, even when mainly just working on technique.

However an instrumental career with either little of good practicing or wrong method of practicing can be counterproductive to efforts through passion.

Probably like you, I was and still am drawn to the guitar by its enchanting characteristics. And for the first 15 years or more me was not practicing at all, but just plucking away.
Pleasure from the emerging sound was great and so was creativity.
Accidentally much of technique (other than barré grabbing, which was plain wrong from start) was good too, until one day I saw a wrong example of posture on TV and thought that is how things should be.
That was when a self-impairing odyssey set in.


Optimal in terms of satisfaction and efficiency should be a pairing of passion for the guitar with ergonomic and systematic method of playing.

I admire individuals who either started out in an inspiring natural ambience like in a Gitano family (or for classical equivalent, in a house like of the Romeros), or with a good teacher.
Can you say easy and rewarding progress!
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Having said that, I have seen an autodidact rocketing up to virtuosity as a rock guitarist in only 1,5 years, and also other cases where talents gained quite something on their own.
But that seems not how things develop typically.

After players´ decades of invested time on auto didactical path (do like you feel) inhibiting technical habits and one-trick ponies appear to rather be occurring than evenly spread and advanced skills.

Inherited wisdom of hundreds of years and modern didactics seem a wise way of matching one´s passion.
Just my two pesos to passion and reward.
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Argaith

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RE: Motivation (in reply to Richard Jernigan

I've never done BJJ but I did a fair few years of Wado Ryu which is developed by a JJ master hence has lots of grappling and throwing.
I then ended up moving to Kyokushin which is a totally different arena. I experienced a lot of injuries including fractured ribs. We also did a lot hard stuff with our hands (Tameshiwari).
I didn’t play the guitar then so I had no problem with my nails or hands.

When I started university I discovered more effective and less harmful methods of having fun i.e putting a few chords together on the guitar and a tune or two which were better received by the girls too ;). I gave up martial arts all together.
Funnily enough, around a year ago, my son showed an interest and my wife enrolled him to a Dojo without my knowledge and guess what, on the first session and after a chat with the sensei about my experiences etc, I was persuaded to join in too (a different style though). It was 27 years since I had done anything like that but I was amazed how much of it had stayed with me. I started when I was a kid and did it for a good 10 years. I always wish I could have begun learning the guitar back then.

I am very mindful of my hands nowadays and try not to do anything stupid with them. Playing the guitar is the priority for me but I’m having fun with Karate too since I’m doing it with my son and also I receive a lot of respect in the Dojo; I suppose as an old school veteran who knows his sh*t!
I play an hour a night religiously and that just keeps my humble skills fresh for the little dance class that I do. I would really like to do more but I’m afraid that’s as much as I can afford time considering my fairly busy life with work and family etc. The dance class, the end of the term performance and the occasional shows definitely keep me motivated.

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If you leave your guitars out of their case they get played,

I never leave my guitar laying around; I get it out of the case, play it and then put it back straight away.
All the best to you all and keep playing.
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jalalkun

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RE: Motivation (in reply to Ruphus

my first passion was actually piano, since it was the first instrument I learned to play kind-of on my keyboard. I have been an autodidact my whole life by the way. but I became bored by the sound and lack of dynamics of my keyboard so it started to gather dust. that's when my mom bought a steelstring guitar for me, out of the blue. it's been a little over 9 years ago, but I started to play the guitar in winter 2010 - 7 years ago. at first I was learning on my own, stumbling upon barrée and scales and chords and all this stuff. in mid 2011 I found my passion for flamenco guitar and started off with simple spanish cadence tourist-flamenco rumba stuff and in winter 2012 I bought my first nylon string guitar. I started to dig more into the roots of flamenco and fell in love with it. by watching videos I found out that my picado was off because I wasn't alternating the fingers, and so I learned picado from zero again and started to realize why I wasn't getting any faster and cleaner in my picados. my passion not only motivates me to keep on playing, but also to practice with a lot of discipline (you can't always stay very disciplined, that's hard as f#ck) to express myself more freely. thinking about how I could play the guitar when I keep practicing is a strong, passionate drive that I have. and now, that I have found a couple of people in my town to show me a couple of things I also learnt a lot. these people gave me great hints to improve my playing which I wouldn't have realized if I stayed playing by myself.

so yeah, you're absolutely right ruphus. but I don't think that passion and a methodically correct playing are opposites, I want to learn and play properly so when I play I don't need to think about playing and let my passion flow freely instead.

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Piwin

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RE: Motivation (in reply to Ruphus

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A flabby and dull set of strings on my favorite guitar resulted in months of lost motivation until I swapped strings yesterday. Indicating how much sound and tactility matter to me, even when mainly just working on technique.


That happens to me but in my case I think it's more about just being excited to play with something new. A little bit of vanity I guess. Same thing with jogging. A new pair of shoes will give me a spike in motivation.
One thing I do to keep motivated is to switch over to other instruments every now and again. For whatever reason, after playing the clarinet or the keyboard for a day or two, everything feels different when I come back to the guitar. Makes it feel fresh, as if I was re-discovering the instrument. I guess I'm a musical philanderer...

But people are wired differently I guess. For instance, I personally have no problem at all leaving the guitar in its case for a few weeks or a few months. I often seem to progress while I'm not playing. Though granted, when I'm not playing the guitar, I'm often involved in some other sort of musical activity that keeps me engaged. Active listening, transposing, etc. And if all my guitars (that makes it sound like I have a lot lol. I don't) burned tomorrow and all I had left was a tuba, I doubt I'd lose any sleep over it. I'd just learn how to play the tuba. Guess I'm not as passionate about the guitar as you guys. I approach it sort of like, I think it was Michael Hedges, who said that he was "a composer who happens to play the guitar".

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estebanana

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RE: Motivation (in reply to Richard Jernigan

One of the best kendo dojos is a fifteen minute drive from me, but I just don't have the extra time to go. Regrettable because hitting people over the head with a bamboo stick and screaming would be good for me.

Richard, discretion may be the better part of valor, but I admire your brazen smuggling of Cubans.

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Ghodaddyyo

 

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From: Huntington Beach, CA

RE: Motivation (in reply to Richard Jernigan

I didn't know there was so many martial artists here. I started muay thai kickboxing at the age of 45, about a year ago... some 6 months after taking my first flamenco lesson. My guitar teacher was pretty horrified about it and strongly discouraged it, but I need the exercise and have always enjoyed martial arts. Balance Daniel-san!

I avoided BJJ due to nails, but found smashing a 150 lb heavy bag even with gloves on always caused my nails to "fold" on impact and would chip off the crazy glue. I've since started keeping my nails shorter as prescribed by the Pumping Nylon suggestions and stopped using crazy glue. I now use base layers of a calcium "strengthener" topped with Seche Vite. The applications seem to last a lot longer and my nails look much healthier than when I was using crazy glue, acrylic powder, and silk wrap.

I've been in a winter slump in regards to kickboxing, and haven't been going as much as when I first started. I'm feeling my age... I'm the oldest person in the class! But I've been playing guitar alot more now. When I first started lessons, I was in a rush to build repertoire and technique, but lately I've been focusing on slowing things down and working to clean up and rebuild my technique. I reignite motivation by picking a new song to learn. Usually I'll hit a roadblock in the process that reveals a weakness in technique, then I switch focus on building that technique. I wish I had more people to play with, but no one wants to play flamenco. I still participate in a jazz jam once a week, but it's always the same old standards we play each week. I also bought a cajon to fool around with and break up guitar playing with it. It gets really fun when I hook up my cajon with a looper pedal then grab my guitar to play over the loop.
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Ruphus

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RE: Motivation (in reply to jalalkun

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ORIGINAL: jalalkun

but I don't think that passion and a methodically correct playing are opposites, ...


I wasn´t meaning to imply that.
To the opposite, I was trying to point out that it be a waste to the passion if not joined with good methodology. (As you experienced too.)

Best match when both can go together.
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gondorbell

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From: Finland

RE: Motivation (in reply to Richard Jernigan

Hi!

its strange to see and nice...many of us flamenco-guys allthought im a newbie player has things for art or martial art etc...

When i was 12 i joined to karate and i remember sensei putted as to run
around swimming hall(dojo was there) middle of winter minus 20 :D

then it faded away until i was about 20y and i joined to jujutsu and my big brother joined aikido. we were practicing also together because ukemi etc was quite similar. then it was kali or kalima or something with short sticks i dont remember anymore so well...:D

Nowadays i dont practice anymore but memory remains...maybe also
technics...but probably i have to say to attacker...could you please wait a moment soon i put you down and lock your stuoid legs and hands when i memorize the technic :D :D

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