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estebanana
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RE: If you like an archaeologic whod... (in reply to Ruphus)
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This is only stressing that material used for papers needs to be accounted for with verifiable provenance records from site to lab. The general thought among archaeologists is that Europe was occupied by early humans starting at 900,000 to one million years ago, but the guys leading the charge want to claim earlier occupation. That's the human origins game, scoop the other researchers for better shot at funding. Science can be dirty. I'm glad they called them on provenance, it's important to seek honesty to keep the public trust. People who are anti science and conspiracy nuts never learn, they will keep on chemtrail claiming and evolution denying for one reason; it makes them special, conspiracy people are mild narcissists, and conspiracy belief is a benign, mostly, form of showing you have special knowledge. A way of claiming 'specialness' that non believers don't have. Science crushes unfounded bunk theories, but the conspiracy folks won't be stopped by rational thinking, that would lump them in with the majority, and Flat Earthers etc. need that special edge.....get flat earth, special edge.... Regarding provenance: I knew a marine biologist who transported ground Humpback whale bone marrow from South America, Peru, to Berkeley CA to do a DNA work up on the specimen to identify genetic lines in a group of South Pacific Humpbacks. She was a applying to the doctorate program in Berkeley. The head of the lab busted her and scolded her harshly and told her to forget doing a doc at Berkeley. She finished her lab in a few months and headed back to Colombia, then eventually was able to do the doctorate in New Zealand. Things worked out, but it was incredibly stupid to have transported animal remains and try to work on them in a lab in academia. She opened the lab up to action by a number of governmental offices not least of which would be Fish and Wildlife, and they don't clown around. Scientists get greedy too, they're human.
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Date Dec. 3 2017 6:58:03
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estebanana
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RE: If you like an archaeologic whod... (in reply to Ruphus)
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There are various motivations for poor working methods in science. A lot of it is greed, but sometimes skirting the rules is a way doing research that the scientist might be denied doing. Not all cheating is greedy. I'd say over all the majority of scientists are ethical and careful, in the public sector and academia, a lot of the questionable stuff arises in corporate labs. And the least questionable stuff is like this bone bamboozle. Human paleontology is esoteric, really, the everyday greed and bad method is manifested in issues like pharamseutical companies not taking drugs to trial if the end user belongs to too small a group for the company to make money. If a drug company scinetist says I have a potential cure for such and such, but only ten thousand suffer form such and such, they the company is unlikely to take it to trial phase. In trial phase if the medication is found effective the company is faced with an ethical situation, or possibly a legal situation which dictates that make the product even if it does not make profit. Many medications are shelved before they are developed to ensure the company is not required to manufacture something they'll lose money on. The bean counters of the human origins research don't hold back on granting, and the Fundie Christians that are evolution deniers are brainwashed, so the remaining common ground is medical science. And the way to get a fundie to realize science works is to let the think that God is guiding the hands of science to create good for humans. Once in a while the truth sinks in and they stop distrusting science. I know how they are, if you try to explain Potassium Argon dating to a christian, and expound on the idea that a radioactive isotope has a half life that can be measured and used to chronologically establish markers in geologic strata, they'll fight you. However on the other hand when it comes to God's righteous will and the power of the US military, then the science seems somehow valid to them, that one could command an arsenal of massively deadly nuclear ( nookyoular) weaponry. And after all said and done in argument, radioactive material still has a half life. Human origins slip ups and false claims in my mind are small esoteric potatoes. The base of knowledge and the redundancy in dating of the important sites in East Africa cement in the idea human origins dating to well earlier than 3.5 to 4 million years- you bet your KBS Tuff it does, from Leakey to lechery.
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Date Dec. 4 2017 3:53:43
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Ruphus
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RE: If you like an archaeologic whod... (in reply to Ruphus)
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In relation to overall amount of scientists the corrupt part of theirs must be small. The fraction of lesser educated / lesser talented ones must be much, much larger than the fraction of intentionally distorting ones. (Just think of physicians who pass exam through learning by heart / or those who do not update during career, or the incredible number who even do not understand enough basics to not routinely prescribe antibiotics for virus inflicted cases.) However, that small number of corrupted scientists causes disproportional damage, for them typically being engaged at industrial or industrially sponsored spots where they receive all the publicity and 'credibility' they need. From an investigative press series about pharmaceutically ignited hysteria, I remember that it took merely the bribing of 6 physicians to get the whole international cholesterol campaign rolling, -that has still not faded out after all those decades. And I suppose that it won´t take more than one or two dozen of opportune white coats to organize most blatant of nonsense like said creationist BS. Propaganda is an asymmetric condition. A handful claims & figures from powerful source can effectively outweigh billions of countering cases of evidence to the contrary. -Which brings us back to the relevance of education and media, and how essential it is to have no monopoly and general agenda in that realm. Still, the sensitivity on freedom of press (whether within the branch itself or among common sense) is going downhill, instead of further up the trail in ways it was in a temporary period until ~30 years ago. On top of informative media bundling, the original condition of the internet as alternative and network of diverse sources has been turned into domain of three major corporations / losing the informative uniqueness that had made it / ought to make it an outstanding resource. There is a dramatic dichotomy between exploding factual knowledge and channeling of resource going on. Indicated on all kind of levels. Just look at the current state of international affairs maturity. It has fallen way behind the level maintained even during Cold War. Displaying primary irrationality, unpredictability and impulsivity that could potentially blow us back to times of Untermassfeld^. Having said that, ... if only fellow creature wasn´t eliminated, personally I could see advantages to such earthy state, compared to current commodities under inhumane autocracy. Better primitive humanity than advanced state of paradox insanity. A true pity to think of given up scientific and technological blessings, yet better without as long as them being misused for caste society and its pedestal of social desert. Last night in a discussing between a philosopher and the blue-eyed superficiality of a writer, I heard the author mentioning "threats like the insoluble issue of automatization in the world of work". How much brainwash did it take for to entirely adapt spoon-fed exploiter´s logic according to which automatization can only mean unemployment, incapable of seeing the congruent obvious? Automatization under sane conditions means relief of labor in the first place. Hence many positions corresponding to modernity, with jobs of very little working hours yet sufficient to ample income provided through machine work. All it takes to allow congruency to come through, is doing away with sponges that drain off hundreds and thousands of times worth employee´s salary. A common sense which can instead only envision unemployment, has not just seen the emperor's new clothes but fully put them on, like sheep before the slaughterhouse. May future archaeologic aliens be puzzled about the cuts on their digged up bones. Even just decades ago, had you unrolled today´s contradictory intellectual development in informative times, it would had left me dumb folded. Backwards instead of forwards?! Yeah, it can be had.
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