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RE: Manolo Sanlucar documentary (in reply to Ricardo)
The few articles about it seem to be all about the festival de Cordoba. They mention that there was supposed to be a full-length documentary film as well as a TV series in installments. Then it just disappears into thin air. Maybe it's the same thing as that teaching video everyone said he was producing years ago but that never materialized? That intro though...straight out of a Jehovah's Witness missionary video...
As far as I can tell, you still can't actually buy it, despite there being an "opciones de compra" section . But if you get lucky and find one of the links that doesn't lead to "error 404" territory (which is 90% of his site), you can still get some info. 13 DVD chapters for a total of 6 hours of material, + 2 books, for a grand total of 620 euros. If you click on the link for a given chapter, there's a description of the performances it includes. So who knows, maybe if he's finally willing to give details and to put a price tag on it, you might be able to get your hands on it by emailing them.
RE: Manolo Sanlucar documentary (in reply to Piwin)
Ricardo, was speaking to one of the lads in Jerez Danny Gill, who has been doing alot of collaborative media work and interviews, with Manuel Valencia, Antonio Jero etc said that the project, the "gran obra" is on the cusp of being finished. he got to visit manolo for an interview on guitar coming out shortly.
RE: Manolo Sanlucar documentary (in reply to henrym3483)
620e of a price tag is pretty much in the university level purchase of materials, that said i've paid 450e for essential law books, some law books come in at 550e for a single book for law school.
RE: Manolo Sanlucar documentary (in reply to henrym3483)
Now the website says: "estamos en proceso de renovacion de la pagina web. En breve volveremos". Keeping the suspense going...
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620e of a price tag is pretty much in the university level purchase of materials
When I posted that, the way the site was structured seemed to indicate that it would also be possible to purchase individual parts separately. That would be nice. Not begrudging him the price tag for the whole thing of course, but having that alternative of buying a bit here and bit there is good for people who may not be able to dish out 600 euros in one go.
Price is now 1,167 euros for 13 DVDs, roughly 25-30 minutes each. It doesn't seem to include the books and I don't see an option for purchasing those. There's also a lot more information now under the "Gran Obra Maestra" and "Obra Audiovisual" tabs, with trailers, short audio clips, etc.
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RE: Manolo Sanlucar documentary (in reply to Piwin)
Maybe it took them too long, it just seems so...disconnected.
Why on earth would someone spend €100 on a half hour DVD, and over €1000 for the set, no matter how well produced? Normally, the DVDs would accompany the written material except, of course, now-a-days DVDs aren’t even provided, instead there are links to download 4K videos. My DVD player isn’t even hooked up, and I certainly wouldn’t buy one at this point, it’s obsolete technology.
It just seems dated and extremely expensive. It will be interesting to see what the written material will be priced at and how they manage to connect it with the videos. I can’t see someone spending over a thousand Euros on some older format videos and then ponying up what will likely be thousands more for the pages. I think the world has moved on from that. I’m not saying he is obsolete, but perhaps what he’s doing is.
Maybe some schools, libraries, and archives will obtain copies. How many musicians will, when the cost will likely line up with that of a professional level guitar? Not many, I suspect.
Perhaps Henry is right and this is targeting the text-book market but, even then, the format is obsolete and students would have the right to demand better. How many students even have access to a DVD player? Do compact laptops even have them anymore?
RE: Manolo Sanlucar documentary (in reply to agujetas)
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April fools?
I wish!
The prices indicated on the website don't include value-added tax, so when you "go to cart" it adds that to the price. In other words, the actual price is 1,167 euros + 21%.
Anyway, I probably wouldn't have bought it at the 600 price, so there are even less chances that I'll buy it now. If ever there's a post-pandemic back-to-sort-of-stable world, I wouldn't be against getting a chapter or two, but the whole set is definitely beyond what I'm willing to pay for that kind of material. Like Rob said, that's enough to buy a guitar, or in my case, looking at what I need, a used car.
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Price is now 1,167 euros for 13 DVDs, roughly 25-30 minutes each. It doesn't seem to include the books and I don't see an option for purchasing those. There's also a lot more information now under the "Gran Obra Maestra" and "Obra Audiovisual" tabs, with trailers, short audio clips, etc.
Finally! It’s a steal!!! I like how there is no description of the content whatsoever. 200E for the second DVD, that must be the good one.
Just a reminder that the old Encuentro vids were $100 each with book and were totally worth it at the time.
RE: Manolo Sanlucar documentary (in reply to Ricardo)
The books have been added to the shop. 3 "La otra historia" books ranging from 200 to 250 per volume. 2 "La escuela" books at 400 per volume. The 5 books together for 1,367 euros. So if you want the whole thing, DVDs + books, it'll cost you about 2.5k euros. Add 21% IVA and that's about 3k euros.
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RE: Manolo Sanlucar documentary (in reply to Piwin)
I really don’t understand this approach. How can the average person afford that? I suppose it can be bought in segments but it still seems insanely overpriced, no matter how great a maestro Manolo is. Surely he would sell more if it was priced more realistically?
RE: Manolo Sanlucar documentary (in reply to agujetas)
Me neither. I guess we're just not the target audience. What's worse: apparently what you get for that price is an "e-book", which in flamenco world probably means a PDF. It says they're going to print 1,300 hard copies "soon". If the target is academic institutions, even if all the places that deliver formal flamenco education bought one he'd still have 1,290 on his hand. OK, just kidding but it's probably not all that far off.
edit: on the DVD side they do say this: "Cada capitulo artístico también está disponible con el enfoque en la manera de ejecutar la digitación. Y así mismo, quien desee adquirir los DVD o partituras de los temas correspondiente a la Obra podrán solicitarlo en info@manolosanlucar.com."
That could mean something closer to Encuentro. If it's an actual half hour of material (and not 20 minutes talking and 10 minutes playing), and if the scores don't cost anything extra (granted, those are big "ifs"), then I could see your average player thinking one or two chapters might be worth trying. Well, pre-covid when people had jobs anyway.
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RE: Manolo Sanlucar documentary (in reply to JasonM)
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ORIGINAL: JasonM
Behold!, “I” AM Manolo Sanlucar! And I will not sell myself short for 100 Euros! Even if it means I only sell 3 videos to some Japanese aficionados
Dr. Corey Whitehead had talked to me about this project many years ago...he also stayed with Manolo for a long time at his home. Manolo was trying to get Corey to apply for a grant from the spain gov to fund his grand obra, with the intent that Corey could get the complete work (translated into English) into the univeristy he taught at as a start (Fresno), and then from there offer it to other universities. So all along he wanted his legacy to be an academic one, preferably overseas, so this angle is not surprising. However he is about 10 or 15 years late. I am sure once he sells it to ONE university it will collect dust on his shelves and then hopefully be offered at reasonable prices to aficionados.
RE: Manolo Sanlucar documentary (in reply to Ricardo)
If its intended as a University type thing we could maybe club together here and get a foroflamenco edition and agree to only share to the people who contribute?
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RE: Manolo Sanlucar documentary (in reply to johnnefastis)
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If its intended as a University type thing we could maybe club together here and get a foroflamenco edition and agree to only share to the people who contribute?
That is a good idea actually. Escribana (or someone but I feel safest with him) could set up a fund and once the full amount is reached he could buy it and keep the full set at home, then rent it out in digital form like a blockbuster Foroflamenco library.
Or we can wait until some rich Japanese aficionado that owns 5 Arcangels and 3 reyes buys it and rips it and puts it on youtube.
RE: Manolo Sanlucar documentary (in reply to Ricardo)
Count me in... I guess we would need 10-20 people to make it work financially. Unless we do it bit by bit, but that could get messy to figure out who gets access to what. Anyone else up for it?
I would like to think we could do it in such a way Manolo would approve.
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Or we can wait until some rich Japanese aficionado that owns 5 Arcangels and 3 reyes buys it and rips it and puts it on youtube.
Ha ha thats the likely alternertive. Hopefully it doesnt happen... It must have been a huge amount of work.
RE: Manolo Sanlucar documentary (in reply to johnnefastis)
I wouldn't mind, but yeah, I'm not sure how that would work from a legal perspective and I wouldn't want to set the foro up for trouble if anything happened. So we'd have to figure that stuff out.
Personally my main interest would be in the DVDs and not necessarily the books. If we have enough to do both, then great, but if we have to choose between the two I'm casting my vote for the DVDs.
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RE: Manolo Sanlucar documentary (in reply to Piwin)
From facebook:
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Dear friends, again I am addressing you trying to facilitate the approach to the work I published, ′′ La Guitarra Flamenco, Manolo Sanl úcarcar ", and seeking possibilities for the acquisition of it we have re-studied the economic conditions in which so many people are in .. We offer a new proposal to approach positions so that from today I invite you to those who feel accredited or trained to understand it to send their resumes to info@manolosanlucar.com in order to try to ease the economic burden in which today so many Fans and stakeholders suffer due to the consequences of the pandemic we are experiencing.
Affectionately, Manolo Sanl úcarcar
So we can send our resume and maybe get a discount. Worth a shot?
RE: Manolo Sanlucar documentary (in reply to Ricardo)
The price does seem very steep, but when you take into account the immense amount of time devoted to its preparation, the costs of production and of paying the many artists involved, it begins to look more reasonable. Compare this with the cost of personal lessons with an outstanding flamenco maestro and other top artists and it begins to seem quite a gift. I think it is sad if the Foro looks for ways of ripping and copying, which are not only illegal but grossly insulting to a fine flamenco artist and his life’s work. It has been a terrible time for flamencos in Spain during the pandemic and they deserve support.
RE: Manolo Sanlucar documentary (in reply to Ricardo)
Hi yeah I get that. I was only ever thinking of a small group and not sharing it beyond that. I bought what I could of rito y geografía and now watch it on YouTube. It’s a hard balance and I hope Manolo gets it right and gets paid for his work too.
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I wish! 
obviously you have the resume Ricardo. I am still happy to contribute a bit.
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