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RE: Guitarists not interested in fla... (in reply to Piwin)
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What I find interesting is how this seems to be fairly specific to countries other than the country of origin. It seems to be yet another case of what happens when a "grassroots" style is uprooted from its place of origin and achieves some degree of success abroad. In France, anything tango-related, or even, but probably to a lesser extent, flamenco-related, has become somewhat of a high-brow activity, be it for traditional tango or the more modern forms. And they seem to enjoy looking down on anything slightly different from what they do, so they look down on anything non-tango, or look down on those who are not doing the exact same type of tango as they are, be it traditional, nuevo, neo, or whatever the particular brand might be. I know several dancers who have left tango altogether because after years in the vipers' nest, they decided the benefits just weren't worth the hassle. In flamenco its seems to be slightly different as the old-schoolers somehow seem to have taken the moral high-ground and those into more modern forms of flamenco seem to just sigh and accept that. In the meantime, the people who brought about neotango most likely did not approach the style unawares of the traditional music form, quite simply because they most likely grew up with it. In the very same way that young gitanos are mixing in rap or other styles into flamenco. Some of the traditionalists in Spain very much hate what this younger generation is doing with flamenco, but at the same time many of them really don't hate the people doing it, simply because they can't: it's their sons and daughters that are doing it! Just last week I was talking about this with a friend at the local pena..the kind of still thinks flamenco would be better off without guitar, so that kind of purists. His grandson is in a local band, rapping his way into flamenco, mixing it up with RnB stuff, etc. My friend just shrugged and said "what you gonna do...". But I guess this kind of tension exists in any form of music. Another friend, a rather devout Christian from the US, told me that his church was going through a rough patch on what kind of music to sing during their service. Apparently there is some sort of divide between those who prefer traditional hymns and those who prefer more modern ones. This doesn't take anything away from what you were saying, just perhaps that it might be different in the "country of origin", or at least in those places where the artform is very much part of the social fabric.
They can complain all they want about it but no one has real control over these things. Flamenco is very lucky that it had such titanic figures to almost "standardise" it and the nature of flamenco is such that it will never be lost. Plenty of folk music has lost itself completely or has been transformed into a much worse state. I dislike most modern guitarists, they pay attention too much to harmony and not melody. All the new tarantas are just funky chord changes with a bit of picado melody which is not articulated.
RE: Guitarists not interested in fla... (in reply to Aretium)
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They can complain all they want about it but no one has real control over these things
Yep. The lunatics are running the asylum. The warden and the guards have locked themselves up on the roof and are waving desperately for help but I'm not optimistic they'll make it out alive.
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RE: Guitarists not interested in fla... (in reply to mark indigo)
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the "new" started with Paco and Manolo Sanlucar.
I play some early Paco stuff, and get comments like "that's old"
I have encountered a handful modern dance stylists that insists on modern flamenco stuff over the same old traditional thing...almost always there is either a very advanced and inspired thing going on or the exact opposite....a lack of solid base foundation. I will restate this is a small handful.
Sadly the opposite is overwhelming, that being the intolerant old schoolers. Ugh.
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RE: Guitarists not interested in fla... (in reply to Guest)
Honestly, I don't give a s**t about flamenco in general. The guitar, lets be honest here ,its just an excuse guitar for undiscplined people who terribly failed at other more difficult styles where you have to practice hard,,,, and that moronic dance as if they want to make as many holes as possible in the floor with their domina shoes,,,,, oh and that retarded clapping ...oh my god, its like a never ending standing ovation for no reason just to annoy you even more....and the most annoying is that weird yelling as if someone is squeezing the balls of the singer all the time. And whats the deal with that wooden box they sometimes sit on and spread their legs? can't they just use a drum kit or something ffs..... anyways.....I kinda like the flute sometimes, reminds me on my heart will go on in the movie titanic
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RE: Guitarists not interested in fla... (in reply to Dudnote)
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Wow steady there Arash. Any minute now Bill's gonna turn up & rant about harmonicas
I can't wait to see a Vicente Amigo performance on the guitar while playing the harmonica hands-free, as it is being held in place by a neck brace a la early Bob Dylan.
Bill
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RE: Guitarists not interested in fla... (in reply to BarkellWH)
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ORIGINAL: BarkellWH
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Wow steady there Arash. Any minute now Bill's gonna turn up & rant about harmonicas
I can't wait to see a Vicente Amigo performance on the guitar while playing the harmonica hands-free, as it is being held in place by a neck brace a la early Bob Dylan.
Bill
I've been told by reliable sources that Blowing In The Wind will be a bonus track on the dulex edition of Vicente's forthcoming album.
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RE: Guitarists not interested in fla... (in reply to BarkellWH)
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ORIGINAL: BarkellWH
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Wow steady there Arash. Any minute now Bill's gonna turn up & rant about harmonicas
I can't wait to see a Vicente Amigo performance on the guitar while playing the harmonica hands-free, as it is being held in place by a neck brace a la early Bob Dylan.
Bill
These young ladies are fine musicians, as you can see by hand free harmonica solo at 0:30 during their classic song "I am saving myself for Jesus":
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