Todd-the-Terrible strikes again

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Phil

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From: Rota, Spain

Todd-the-Terrible strikes again 1 votes

Todd fired a shot across Estela's bow over at F-T. She returned fire and hit him broadside.

I'll have to concede to those that didn't want to invite him here. You were right and I was wrong.

Phil

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Miguel de Maria

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RE: Todd-the-Terrible strikes again (in reply to Phil)

Both of those are firecrackers. Todd is more prone to spontaneous immolation, though :)

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Phil

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From: Rota, Spain

RE: Todd-the-Terrible strikes again (in reply to Phil)

Michael said,

quote:

Both of those are firecrackers. Todd is more prone to spontaneous immolation, though :)

Estela can be a little impatient with us guitarists at times, but she doesn't call people names and she takes the time to anwer questions or correct people about things that she's probably said a hundred times before on other forums. There's no one else that posts here that knows as much about Flamenco as she does and is willing to share it. I've verified some of the things she's said with knowledgeable people in Jerez and have yet to find her to be wrong. You may not know this, but she can sing, dance, and play the guitar (but not at the same time).

And, due to her job or just her 'aficion', she's exposed to more Flamenco than even the most avid aficionado in Spain.

Todd, on the other hand, is an exceptionally talented all around guitarist, but he knows very little about Flamenco.

Phil

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zata

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RE: Todd-the-Terrible strikes again (in reply to Phil)

You can't imagine what it feels like to be called a "firecracker" at my age

. Thank you Phil for your supportive message however, and I've taken note that I sometimes show impatience with guitarists.

I never really followed that forum closely enough to get a bead on who Todd was, but one person sent me a sound file of his playing and it was shaky on compás, so I'm not inclined to take him too seriously as a source of information. I go out of compás too, but I don't record those moments or convert them to sound files to be publicly circulated.

Estela 'Zata'

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 5 2003 10:58:04

Miguel de Maria

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RE: Todd-the-Terrible strikes again (in reply to Phil)

zata,
of course, I meant firecracker in the best possible way :)
saludos!

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 5 2003 15:21:25

zata

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RE: Todd-the-Terrible strikes again (in reply to Miguel de Maria)

Michael, I'm on a couple of rough-and-tumble forums, but I know a friendly zone when I see one.

Speaking of which, women rarely participate in the 'heavy' forums...are there no women members here besides me?

Estela 'Zata'

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Ron.M

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From: Scotland

RE: Todd-the-Terrible strikes again (in reply to zata)

Sí Estela,
There's "El Craic" from Belfast.
She's a very determined person (guitar player) too!

cheers

Ron

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 5 2003 20:04:23

Josh

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RE: Todd-the-Terrible strikes again (in reply to Phil)

Personally, I enjoy Estela's posts because they are very informative and come from the source of Flamenco. As for her personality, she has always been helpful and polite and thats more than you can ask for on the internet. Now, I greatly respect Todd as a musician and as a person(from what I have gotten in talking to him beyond the forums) But I feel he has misinterpreted Estela's passion for flamenco and her strength as a writer to mean that she is aloof or condescending. This is clearly an error of attribution that was caused by the internets weak representation of speech.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 6 2003 17:36:53

zata

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RE: Todd-the-Terrible strikes again (in reply to Guest)

quote:

Estela, if you want to "take his temperature", why don't you ask him if he can accompany a letra of bulerias, fandangos or even tangos

He can take his own temperature, he's a big boy. There's no law that says you have to like cante, but the guitar solo I heard had very shaky compás, and *that's* against the law.

Estela 'Zata'

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 6 2003 20:52:11

zata

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RE: Todd-the-Terrible strikes again (in reply to Guest)

quote:

I think I've just realized why I like the guitarists that I like and not others.

And yet, not all great accompanists make great soloists. Moraíto and Paco Cepero are mediocre soloists IMO.

Estela 'Zata'

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 7 2003 3:39:04

Miguel de Maria

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RE: Todd-the-Terrible strikes again (in reply to Phil)

Andy,
let's remember that maybe half of the members on this forum have never accompanied anyone! Flamenco is big enough, in my opinion, to accomodate all types. Most Americans who get into this stuff get into it because of virtuoso guitar! From there to cante is a long road. I never liked cante at all until I spent this summer in Sevilla...now I love it! But everyone has their own path to follow. Let's not get down on those who come from different backgrounds, but whose love of flamenco is just as strong.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 7 2003 4:24:58

Florian

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RE: Todd-the-Terrible strikes again (in reply to Guest)

This is my list of greate soloists :

Paco De L.
Vicente
Riqueni
G. Nunez
El Viejim
Tomatito
Carlos Pinana
Juan Carlos Romero
El Chicuelo
Nino Josele

Guitarists that are greate at accompaning that I would love for them to release a solo cd

Jeronimo Maya
Paco de Jarana

I am sure there are others but i cant think of anymore here at work

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 7 2003 4:30:36

zata

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RE: Todd-the-Terrible strikes again (in reply to Guest)

quote:

Estela, who would you list as the great soloists?

Andy, I stopped listening to guitar solos when I discovered cante, so my list is short:

Sabicas
Paco de Lucía

Can I still play with you?

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 7 2003 6:46:29

Escribano

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RE: Todd-the-Terrible strikes again (in reply to zata)

... and after Tomatatito' gig last night, I am going down AndyB and Estela's camino. The difference between his solo pieces and those with La Potito singing was dramatic shift in experience for me. Review to follow

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 7 2003 7:47:20

Jim Opfer

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RE: Todd-the-Terrible strikes again (in reply to Phil)

Hi All

'Todd-the-Terrible strikes again' (With star rating!)

I think this is unfair. I had some bad experience of Todd over on F-T and I don't visit there now, but this is a member's forum and if he visited here, he would read this heading and not be able to read further.
Lets please get off this Todd thing, he records well, be it with a pick or be it digitally enhanced through his dads computer, I don't care.
Thanks
Jim.

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Ron.M

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RE: Todd-the-Terrible strikes again (in reply to Miguel de Maria)

Just out of interest, how many guitarists here accompany cante on a regular basis?
And how many accompany baile for performance or classes?

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 7 2003 8:48:24

Florian

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RE: Todd-the-Terrible strikes again (in reply to Phil)

I do Ron, and not only that but when i dont play guitar I play soccer so i know everything about that also :))))

for those who are not yet familiar with my sence of humor i am beeing sarcastic.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 7 2003 9:43:29

Paul Bruhns

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RE: Todd-the-Terrible strikes again (in reply to Phil)

Ron:

I play for one intermediate and one advanced dance class each week.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 7 2003 11:39:54

Escribano

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RE: Todd-the-Terrible strikes again (in reply to Florian)

so you know it's called football then

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 7 2003 16:19:04

Ron.M

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RE: Todd-the-Terrible strikes again (in reply to Florian)

OK Florian,
What's the offside rule for dancers then?

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 7 2003 16:27:10

Paul Bruhns

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RE: Todd-the-Terrible strikes again (in reply to Florian) 1 votes

Ron:

You mean the one where the dancer whirls into the headstock of your guitar? In American football, it's a simple encroachment penalty, but if she manages to thwap your head... it's personal! If the dancer is female, I like it :-)

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 7 2003 21:12:09

Florian

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RE: Todd-the-Terrible strikes again (in reply to Florian)

NO no no the ofside rule is if the dancing gets to the end of the compas before you do.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 7 2003 22:46:36

Thomas Whiteley

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RE: Todd-the-Terrible strikes again (in reply to Jim Opfer)

Jim;

I must agree with you! It would be nice to not discuss others. If you really must discuss other people why not use a private e-mail? Not everyone agrees with such discussions.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 7 2003 23:08:13

Josh

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RE: Todd-the-Terrible strikes again (in reply to Florian)

Tom+Jim: I definitely agree.
Simon: I think that if this convo is to go on it should be in the public area. Is that possible?

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