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runner

 

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The Day the (Classical) Music Died 

The preceding discussion that began with the question about old music clogging the way for newer classical/serious music, got me to thinking about when I reached my own limits as to what I chose to listen to. So I looked over my preferences to check for latest dates of composition/publication of larger orchestral pieces I enjoy hearing repeatedly, looking for clues. I found that, for me, the music mostly died in the 15 years between 1942 and 1957. 1942 saw Martinu's Symphony No. 1, his best in my opinion, as all the following symphonies of his I found to be mediocre rehashes of that first marvelous effort. 1942-45 brought Bartok's great Concerto for Orchestra; the Bartok Piano Concerto No. 3 also in 1945. We then skip to 1951-52 for the Prokofiev Symphony No. 7, to 1955 for Martinu's The Frescoes of Piero Della Francesca, and finally to 1957 for the Shostakovich Piano Concert No.2. It ends there.

All the above works are resolutely melodic, tonal, with little dissonance; I hold that Bela Bartok in his major orchestral works such as the Music for Strings, Percussion and Celeste, the Divertimento, and the Concerto for Orchestra, and the three piano concertos, went about as far as sustainable, paying audiences for classical/serious music would accompany him. The subsequent history of serialism and aleatoric musics strongly validates that idea, as nobody (relatively speaking) ever pays money to hear such musics. Classical/serious music, if it is to survive the aging and death of its audience, must find new ways of expression and maybe consider a brand-new name. Some, like myself, have suggested that as flamenco "evolves", it needs to be called by a brand-new name (I think Donn Pohren would have agreed); maybe it's time for classical music to consider the same thing. I remember a Yanni concert on PBS being announced as "the new sound of classical music". I prefer the old sound.

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estebanana

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RE: The Day the (Classical) Music Died (in reply to runner

I'm so sorry for your loss. Can I send a donation to charity in the the memory of your music choices? Where will the memorial to the deceased take place? May the public attend or it is private ceremony?

In this time of loss I hope you have family and friends surrounding you that you can lean on and borrow 78 RPm records from.
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Sarcasm aside you have great picks, very top modern music, but it does to stop there. Composers today are making fantastic works.

May I suggest a gentle listening to a few works and a subscription to the Naxos new music podcast?


Naxos: http://blog.naxos.com/category/podcast/

The podcasts have 8 years back log of music on the Naxos label. I listened to the whole archive, podcast by podcast. I found new composers doing wonderful music. Music worth owning and paying for. New Music worth supporting.

I reccommend this:

Podcast: A Québec Classic 17:12 10/30/14 This month's release in the Naxos Canadian Classics series focuses on the string chamber music of Jacques Hétu (1938-2010). The theme of past and present links composer and performers, as Raymond Bisha surveys Hétu's works dating from the 1960s (when t...

This:
Podcast: Fung ‘Dreamscapes’, Violin Concerto, Glimpses 13:35 10/14/12 Raymond Bisha introduces us to the contemporary Canadian composer Vivian Fung’s superb new recording Dreamscapes. Her Violin Concerto featuring soloist Kristin Lee is an intensely lyrical and virtuoso work in which West and East collide to create music...
( Bill would like this)



Goreki 3rd Symphony.
Anything by composer Stephen Paulus
Cello concertos of Dimtri Kabalevsky
Lou Harrison

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I'm tragically skeptical of those who say there is no good new classical music today. In my opinion those who say this are not looking and listening carefully enough. I implore any one who says this to search out new classical music written in the last ten years that they like and buy it. It's unfair the good composers working today to bury them in negativity and not support them by buying their work. I have very little money, but after I buy my material I spend my money buying new music.

In fact some of these new composers are Foro Flamenco Members! Bulerias 2005 is one of them. Buy his new album, I did.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Aug. 31 2015 2:09:45
 
estebanana

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RE: The Day the (Classical) Music Died (in reply to runner

A Foro Member who is composing and recording classical guitar music! New Music

"Bulerias 2005"
AKA:

Daniel Volovets
Jazz, Classical, Flamenco, & Latin-American Guitar
http://www.danielvolovets.com/

If I can afford it almost anyone working at McDonalds can afford it.

and while you're at it, buy a guitar from me too.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Aug. 31 2015 2:20:26
 
runner

 

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RE: The Day the (Classical) Music Died (in reply to estebanana

I will check out your recommendations. Thanks for reminding me about Lou Harrison, a good man. Also I'm a big fan of several of Alan Hovhaness' early works.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Aug. 31 2015 2:51:01
 
estebanana

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RE: The Day the (Classical) Music Died (in reply to runner

We have to take some responsibility to speak up for new composers and buy the music so they can make more.

More composers to come...

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Aug. 31 2015 2:57:08
 
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RE: The Day the (Classical) Music Died (in reply to runner

http://secondinversion.org/

It's got streaming audio ("24/7 stream").

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Aug. 31 2015 13:04:52
 
estebanana

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RE: The Day the (Classical) Music Died (in reply to runner

Runner,

As I see it music has not died for you, you just defined the threshold of dissonance you can handle.

I don't see this as a problem. You just need to do some 'ear yoga' and stretch into new music more.

There as the some wonderful lectures on You Tube given by none other than Leonard Bernstein on why Arnold Schoenberg's music is beautiful.....Maybe not everyones cup of tea, but to doubt the great Lennie understood beauty....

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RE: The Day the (Classical) Music Died (in reply to runner

I have no probs with dissonance and atonality stuff...so long as there is interesting rhythms. Why atonal music goes hand in hand with non rhythmic phrasing? It makes no sense to me. You would think they would go for increasing sophistication with rhythm. So I turn 180 degrees to Indian Classical music...where there IS NO tonality, just modes. Oh well.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Aug. 31 2015 16:11:22
 
estebanana

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RE: The Day the (Classical) Music Died (in reply to Ricardo

quote:

I have no probs with dissonance and atonality stuff...so long as there is interesting rhythms. Why atonal music goes hand in hand with non rhythmic phrasing? It makes no sense to me. You would think they would go for increasing sophistication with rhythm. So I turn 180 degrees to Indian Classical music...where there IS NO tonality, just modes. Oh well.

Ricar


Indian music has been in 'stasis' for ten centuries....

HAHAHAH Bwahahahahaha

BBBWWawahahahahahahah

hahahah

ha

Ok just a joke.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Aug. 31 2015 16:33:49
 
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RE: The Day the (Classical) Music Died (in reply to Ricardo

You ever heard this one, Ricardo?



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RE: The Day the (Classical) Music Died (in reply to estebanana

quote:

Indian music has been in 'stasis' for ten centuries....

HAHAHAH Bwahahahahaha BBBWWawahahahahahahah hahahah ha

Ok just a joke.


Like those who invoke that jokester Mao in support of internet-driven diversity, you are way too subtle, Stephen. You must telegraph your way-too-subtle humor days in advance.

Bill

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Aug. 31 2015 21:25:55
 
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RE: The Day the (Classical) Music Died (in reply to runner

Arrested for charges of suppressing young composers thoughts, dreams and compositions.

Released on own recognizance, logged 1000 hours time in public service cleaning trash from highway shoulders. Restraining order must stay 100 yards from any concert hall or music conservatory.



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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Sep. 1 2015 2:34:09
 
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RE: The Day the (Classical) Music Died (in reply to estebanana



This I like.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Sep. 1 2015 13:31:05
 
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RE: The Day the (Classical) Music Died (in reply to runner

I'm not the only one who sits on the floor to play.

Love floor sitting music.

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