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RE: First non Spaniard graduated in ... (in reply to Miguel de Maria)
Ricardo is right, in this example she is out of key...anyone can hear that it is pretty much unlistenable. Its like running your finger nails down a blackboard. But this was probably the worst video to pick as an example, if you look at some of her other youtube uploads they are fine. I am at a loss as to why she uploaded this in the first place?
RE: First non Spaniard graduated in ... (in reply to Miguel de Maria)
He can't even smash a kid guitar. hAHAHA
Oh my the beefs, that one guy took a shoulder dump off that black rail. I can never understand that school of skating. It like you take risks and make moves for what? All you get is a jump and a spin and grind trucks on a railing. Pools and ramps feel so much better and transitions between vert and curves are so much fun.
Sometimes I get the reason why when I see a snowboarder pull off the same moves, but it's over snow. Street skating is like the rumba of skating and Kidney shaped pools with coping are the Solea and Bulerias.
RE: First non Spaniard graduated in ... (in reply to Miguel de Maria)
Haha. I hear you though, there is something much more graceful about verts and ramps. Street skating I think is more just a creature of availability. The only street skater I really enjoy watching is Rodney Mullen.
RE: First non Spaniard graduated in ... (in reply to Leñador)
Yep, enjoyed his singing. Wonderring if he can also pull off an oly, and what boards are favorites among the foro's skaters. Riding a Carver Greenroom myself, love not having to kick (and I never could oly anyway).
RE: First non Spaniard graduated in ... (in reply to Miguel de Maria)
That skate video actually works, both skaters and gitanos spend alot of time on the streets and they are skating in spain so why not put some flamenco into it to make something new? About learning cante in conservatory, seems to be similar like learning to skateboard with a teacher.
RE: First non Spaniard graduated in ... (in reply to tele)
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That skate video actually works, both skaters and gitanos spend alot of time on the streets and they are skating in spain so why not put some flamenco into it to make something new? About learning cante in conservatory, seems to be similar like learning to skateboard with a teacher.
If the teacher was Stacy Peralta I'd join that skate conservatory.
My current deck is a piece of plywood cut to the outline of a 1978 Z-Flex, it has no wheels or trucks and no grip tape. I ride barefoot on the carpet in my shop.
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RE: First non Spaniard graduated in ... (in reply to Miguel de Maria)
By the tine the dog town crew got into pools me and my friends had moved onto bikes and cars so although we skated a lot, we never did tricks. A skateboard was transportation and we bombed hills but pools and ollies we didn't know. At 57, the concrete is real hard but I still take this thing for a ride now and then.
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RE: First non Spaniard graduated in ... (in reply to Miguel de Maria)
I've taken to making surfboard tables, they are for resting your glass of beer between sips.
In Japan surfboards custom boards cost about 1500.00 to 2000.00- So made one of these as a present for the guy to runs the beach rental shop, he gives me boards to ride for free because I'm a local. I could probably have balsa shipped here and buy glass and resin at the hardware store and shape a board cheaper than the local shaper charges.
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RE: First non Spaniard graduated in ... (in reply to estebanana)
Are also the prices of vintage spanish flamenco guitars very high in japan? Seems like japanese work really hard if they are willing to pay such money for custom board.
RE: First non Spaniard graduated in ... (in reply to tele)
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Are also the prices of vintage spanish flamenco guitars very high in japan? Seems like japanese work really hard if they are willing to pay such money for custom board.
Vintage Spanish guitars, yes high prices.
Japan was hit hard by the world economic meltdown so they are still catching up. But yes they work hard. And Japanese people can be real lazy too, I catch city workers napping in their vans when they should be fixing streets and cleaning beaches. But mostly they work really hard.
Japan also does not import farm labor, they pick the radishes and lettuces themselves and a damn proud of it. And they pay themselves a fair wage for farm work so food is bit more expensive sometimes. If it is in season it's cheaper, but produce is more than in the US.
It all comes down to importing many kinds of raw goods too. Surfboard foam blanks come from Australia or China or Thailand, and some of the resin is imported, so costs are high due to import taxes etc. So used boards are less but a good shaper gets between $1000.00 and 2000.00 for a board depending on how complex.
There is one shaper who will glass with a light weave cloth and do two lamination coats and sand out the board leaving it light. Like many shapers in the US were doing by the late 1980's. It make a responsive board, but hard riding will pulp the deck of a board like that in a year.
The competitive surfers in the US used to have boards glassed like that when Clark Foam was still in business because foam blanks were not that expensive. Clark foam closed it doors about 7 years ago and cheap blanks are now a thing of the past. So back then even a non pro surfer could get a board made every year or more.
The boards here are made with really careful art work and super nice glassing, and I think slightly in the heavy side for more wear and tear. So they charge for it.
I can shape ok too, but you gotta doe it everyday for a year or two to become masterful. I don't want to breath that much foam dust.
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RE: First non Spaniard graduated in ... (in reply to tijeretamiel)
Clapton really said that? to his auidience? was he for real or making a socio political point??
Anyway
"In the first place, white people got no business playing the blues ever, at all, under any circumstances ever, ever, ever! What the **** do white people have to be blue about? Banana Republic ran out of khakis? Huh? The espresso machine is jammed? Hootie and the Blowfish are breaking up? ****, white people ought to understand their job is to GIVE people the blues, NOT to get them... and certainly not to sing or play them. Tell you a little secret about the blues; it’s not enough to know which notes to play, you gotta know why they need to be played"
George Carlin
Can this same idea be applied to non gitanos singing cante? or guitarists? I'd probably say yes about cante. (but not the guitar, I just try not to think anout that one too much :-) ) But who is anyone to stop anyone doing something they love?
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RE: First non Spaniard graduated in ... (in reply to Leñador)
They definitely have some good surfers. They have a great wave at Mundaka but it's pretty far from flamenco country.
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ORIGINAL: Leñador
Lol I don't actually know any Spaniards that surf and skate but the couple Spaniards I DO know max out on black table pepper and order tacos dry lol Briseyda Zarate is pretty dern good singer for a 'merican. No videos online though.....
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RE: First non Spaniard graduated in ... (in reply to estebanana)
You still can get boards cheap-on craigslist. A surfboard is like a boat-people buy them thinking they want them then quickly discover they don't which creates a solid market for used boards. My latest score was a cooperfish for 350.00-his new boards are about 1,500. It's cool that you know how to shape. You are a man of many talents for sure. I don't even trust myself to fix dings on a good board. I used to have this ding guy who had his entire house filled with boards. All he did was fix dings and grow weed. But the bastard moved to Kauai.
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ORIGINAL: estebanana
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Are also the prices of vintage spanish flamenco guitars very high in japan? Seems like japanese work really hard if they are willing to pay such money for custom board.
Vintage Spanish guitars, yes high prices.
Japan was hit hard by the world economic meltdown so they are still catching up. But yes they work hard. And Japanese people can be real lazy too, I catch city workers napping in their vans when they should be fixing streets and cleaning beaches. But mostly they work really hard.
Japan also does not import farm labor, they pick the radishes and lettuces themselves and a damn proud of it. And they pay themselves a fair wage for farm work so food is bit more expensive sometimes. If it is in season it's cheaper, but produce is more than in the US.
It all comes down to importing many kinds of raw goods too. Surfboard foam blanks come from Australia or China or Thailand, and some of the resin is imported, so costs are high due to import taxes etc. So used boards are less but a good shaper gets between $1000.00 and 2000.00 for a board depending on how complex.
There is one shaper who will glass with a light weave cloth and do two lamination coats and sand out the board leaving it light. Like many shapers in the US were doing by the late 1980's. It make a responsive board, but hard riding will pulp the deck of a board like that in a year.
The competitive surfers in the US used to have boards glassed like that when Clark Foam was still in business because foam blanks were not that expensive. Clark foam closed it doors about 7 years ago and cheap blanks are now a thing of the past. So back then even a non pro surfer could get a board made every year or more.
The boards here are made with really careful art work and super nice glassing, and I think slightly in the heavy side for more wear and tear. So they charge for it.
I can shape ok too, but you gotta doe it everyday for a year or two to become masterful. I don't want to breath that much foam dust.
RE: First non Spaniard graduated in ... (in reply to Stu)
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ORIGINAL: Stu
Clapton really said that? to his auidience? was he for real or making a socio political point??
Anyway
"In the first place, white people got no business playing the blues ever, at all, under any circumstances ever, ever, ever! What the **** do white people have to be blue about? Banana Republic ran out of khakis? Huh? The espresso machine is jammed? Hootie and the Blowfish are breaking up? ****, white people ought to understand their job is to GIVE people the blues, NOT to get them... and certainly not to sing or play them. Tell you a little secret about the blues; it’s not enough to know which notes to play, you gotta know why they need to be played"
George Carlin
Can this same idea be applied to non gitanos singing cante? or guitarists? I'd probably say yes about cante. (but not the guitar, I just try not to think anout that one too much :-) ) But who is anyone to stop anyone doing something they love?
Well Clapton's rich and he's british so it's quite possible he said that but I'm doubtful. In general I think he's more of a rocker than blues player and way overrated.
But those george's words are way deluded about the blues, sounds like a joke that white man can't have problems/be blue. I have to agree there are very few white blues greats but great blues doesn't come from problems only even when that's the main theme. Gitanos sort of also sing the blues, there's lots of problems, which are similar to those experienced by african americans.
RE: First non Spaniard graduated in ... (in reply to tele)
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But those george's words are way deluded about the blues, sounds like a joke that white man can't have problems/be blue. I have to agree there are very few white blues greats but great blues doesn't come from problems only even when that's the main theme. Gitanos sort of also sing the blues, there's lots of problems, which are similar to those experienced by african americans.
George Carlin was being very sarcastic, I'll bet he liked Stevie Ray Vaughn-
Carlin also did a very funny riff on the idea that there is no food that is the color blue. I really liked George, he was a master twister of the English or American English language.
Honestly, it's refreshing to hear a voice that isn't the " Gitano 2 pack a day, forged on an anvil" or ear bleed shriek Ay Ay Ay, since I was watching a Carmen Linares video(Dislike) of the Qawwli Chicuelo concert with her and Tomas Parreta. I like those two.
There is another video of her with Chicuelo, that's what led me to investigate a little.
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RE: First non Spaniard graduated in ... (in reply to estebanana)
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ORIGINAL: estebanana
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But those george's words are way deluded about the blues, sounds like a joke that white man can't have problems/be blue. I have to agree there are very few white blues greats but great blues doesn't come from problems only even when that's the main theme. Gitanos sort of also sing the blues, there's lots of problems, which are similar to those experienced by african americans.
George Carlin was being very sarcastic, I'll bet he liked Stevie Ray Vaughn-
Carlin also did a very funny riff on the idea that there is no food that is the color blue. I really liked George, he was a master twister of the English or American English language.
of course carlin was not joking .... he is a comedian!
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