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RE: Eventual end of guitars structural intonation issue
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Ruphus
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RE: Eventual end of guitars structur... (in reply to Sr. Martins)
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ORIGINAL: Sr. Martins A theoretically perfect 12TET guitar should provide "0 cent deviation" all over the fretboard, if it doesn't, then it's just a regular guitar as we know and love. This not about a theoretically perfect, but about relative improvement. Ricardo, I felt as if the guitars were well intonating and tuned. The number of imperfect sounding notes to me appeared as if it was from fingering. I think the player does a really fine job, and is fretting specially well barré, but some notes seem to be too strongly pushed down by fingertips. And supposing the Allbeniz piece to contain difficult and fast changing chords, it might be too much of a challenge to fret perfectly throughout, like so often. There, besides, also seem some overdone accentuations with the right hand, eventhough his arps and all are very nice and full sounding overall. Having said that, it is my impression, but I could be wrong (about the left hand caused slightly off notes). Anyway, players´ imperfection belongs to the game. (Otherwise we would be listening to midi sampler pieces.) Ruphus PS: You are right. The most obvious demo would be comparing same player with other guitars.
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Date May 14 2015 17:16:00
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Jeff Highland
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From: Caves Beach Australia
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RE: Eventual end of guitars structur... (in reply to Sr. Martins)
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The wiggly frets on "true temperament" are not to get 12TET You have to use their special offsets "Cromatic offsets in cents from equal temperament as follows: E -2, F 0, F” -4, G +4, G” -4, A 0, Bb -4, B -1, C +2, C”-4, D +2, Eb -4." and yes I know you don't spell it cromatic http://www.truetemperament.com/how-to-tune/ So your chord intervals like the major third are going to sound a little closer to just intonation for some chords and further away in others
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Date May 15 2015 0:45:41
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Ruphus
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RE: Eventual end of guitars structur... (in reply to Escribano)
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ORIGINAL: Escribano Seriously, are you guys still at it? Don't reply to this message, just put a sock in it, please! Agreed, only let me put one point straight in respect of his constantly false reflecting to my posts. What I said about wavy frets as well as about those cut up ones is that you wouldn´t want to have those, as they must be terrible to play on. That is a very different statement from allegedly saying that such frets weren´t necessary. - A debator owes to other participants to first read / comprehend correctly what has been said, before replying. And if he fails to do so, in the way it has occasionally happened to me too, he should have the civilisatory decency to admit and if necessary to apologize, which is what I and others have done in such cases. This guy however has not done so once, despite of errantly responding to debators all the time. Instead keeping up a habit of distorting and tiring. Ruphus
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Date May 15 2015 7:53:00
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Jeff Highland
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RE: Eventual end of guitars structur... (in reply to Sr. Martins)
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Oh boy.. don't mix the cause with the consequence. If things worked like you're making it look, then we would be perfectly in 12TET with a straight nut, parallel frets and parallel saddle. That is exactly what I am not saying I see nut and saddle compensation as important It is the non parallel frets that are unnecessary The wavy frets are so that every E -2, F 0, F” -4, G +4, G” -4, A 0, Bb -4, B -1, C +2, C”-4, D +2, Eb -4." relative to 12TET, and to achieve that the frets have to be different spacing for each string
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Date May 15 2015 8:12:13
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