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Ricardo
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RE: Tuning by ear (in reply to Ruphus)
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ORIGINAL: Ruphus To spare you any extravagance, here is the description. quote:
Tuning Notes: A) When you tune the following fretted notes to the harmonics, tune them "beatless"-- i.e., without any hint of "rolling" or pulsating as the two notes synchronize. When two notes get closer, their "beating" slows down until it disappears altogether when they are perfectly in tune. This is very important! This is the skill to be gained! B) In each step below, pluck the harmonic first. Then fret and pluck the designated string. This allows you to hear both notes simultaneously. Then tune the appropriate string. 1. Tune the D string to a known source 2. Pluck the 12th fret harmonic of the D then tune the G (fretted at the 7th fret) to this harmonic. 3. Pluck the same 12th fret harmonic of the D then tune the B (fretted at the 3rd fret) to this harmonic 4. Pluck the 12th fret harmonic of the G and tune the High E fretted at the 3rd fret to this harmonic 5. Tune the 12th fret harmonic of the A to the G fretted at the 2nd fret (pluck the harmonic first!) 6. Tune the 5th fret harmonic of the Low E to the High E open (pluck the harmonic first!) Note: To apply the tuning method to alternate tunings, all you have to do is find the proper fretted note on the string you are tuning and tune it beatless to a 12th fret harmonic on a string below it. Easy as pie. Final advice: take note that old strings are more difficult to tune than new strings. This is because of uneven stretching of the string and the subsequent erratic vibration patterns. In some instances, old strings are impossible to tune correctly. If you have difficulty achieving good intonation, change strings. Relax, take your guitar and just follow what it says. Be honest and open-minded. That is all it takes. Ruphus Wowzers...my freakin guitar is WAY out of tune now...no joke. THe D string fretted notes sharp, the high E string is flat...and I was super careful to do as described by fretting soft as possible with pinky and reaching around with right hand to do the tuners...it took a long time and the only chord sounds good is the D chord. I suspect the inventor likes to play in D major a lot. Not recommended. Just do as I said from the beginning (which by the way results right now with beats on each adjacent string check with above tuning set in)...carry on. Ricardo
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Date Apr. 15 2015 2:49:34
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Sr. Martins
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RE: Tuning by ear (in reply to Ruphus)
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Personally I have experienced this method for tempered tuning not working out only with messy instruments or badly worn out strings. Truly tempered tuning works as such with instruments that allow temperament. The temperament of a regular guitar is 12TET, which means 12 EQUAL parts. Either tuning method you choose, the guitar will still be a guitar, even with new strings (and strings will still be different from brand to brand, different tensions and manufacturing, etc) Here is what I know about eventual dissatisfaction of this otherwise greatly appreciated method: quote:
# People have goten used to uneven tuning so that it takes them time to appreciate a tempered one. (From what I heard, rarely but nonetheless occuring.) Absolutely true. quote:
# It might also not work with slanted saddles, depending on how much angled they are. (Generally best to have the saddle just perpendicular anyway.) You're clearly just throwing stuff out in the wind like with the old strings comment. quote:
# It will not help with guitars of bad intonation, with bad setup and sometimes also not worn out frets. You keep doing it. All this guessing about the sweetening of the tuning not helping with this when in fact it helps with all of it (maybe not Peterson's preset but I've already told you about the pitfalls of using one preset for everything). quote:
If you neither can´t think of these points than simply assume that we, who greatly appreciate the merrits of spreading deviation across an individual guitars neck, enjoying how the guitar with all the positively accumulating effects up to much more harmonizing partials gaining in performance and lushness, are just being tone deaf idiots. This is what I've been saying all the time, "spread the error". Now tell us what was your point when talking about people not being used to hearing tempered tuning. quote:
Cheers, and have fun with tuning open strings regardless of instruments individual properties. Hmm... in case you haven't noticed, you were the only one in this thread who uses that method. Also, Iam the one who gave you many real life examples of why that wouldn't work... oh boy.
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Date Apr. 15 2015 13:07:15
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Ricardo
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ORIGINAL: Ruphus I think to understand now how Pasteur must have felt. - Personally I have experienced this method for tempered tuning not working out only with messy instruments or badly worn out strings. Here is what I know about eventual dissatisfaction of this otherwise greatly appreciated method: # People have goten used to uneven tuning so that it takes them time to appreciate a tempered one. (From what I heard, rarely but nonetheless occuring.) # Tempered tuning may not work with guitar necks relief through bowing instead of angling. # It might also not work with slanted saddles, depending on how much angled they are. (Generally best to have the saddle just perpendicular anyway.) # It will not help with guitars of bad intonation, with bad setup and sometimes also not worn out frets. If you neither can´t think of these points than simply assume that we, who greatly appreciate the merrits of spreading deviation across an individual guitars neck, enjoying how the guitar with all the positively accumulating effects up to much more harmonizing partials gaining in performance and lushness, are just being tone deaf idiots. Cheers, and have fun with tuning open strings regardless of instruments individual properties. Ruphus THe tuning method you suggested (Peterson) functions, essentially, to sweeten a specific chord voicing...specifically this one: E--2-- B--3-- G--2-- D--0-- A--0-- E--2-- Using this shape in any postion on the neck with a barre will result in equally sweet intervals...to the detriment of almost all other voicing types in any position. I refered to this type of tuning as "well tempered" type tuning, meaning, there are different ways to sweeten chords vs "equal tempered" tuning using a computer or whatever to get it exact, BECAUSE of the key you want to play in. I admit that using open harmonics as I suggested earlier is NOT 100% "equal temperment", my point is that BY EAR, it is as close as you can get so that you can play ANY VOICING on the instrument and be relatively in tune in ALL KEYS...and it even works with OLD CRAP STRINGS. With devective neck or bad frets or whatever, you are totally screwed no matter what. The open string method will STILL be superior to all others...unless you want to "well temper" to a specific key or voicing as described earlier.
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