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RE: Writing my first buleria (in reply to withinity)
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ORIGINAL: withinity
I'm a bit confused about Bulerias in 6's, have been looking up old medio compas threads lately but since its now being brought up in a recent thread I might aswel ask and hopefully someone can clarify some stuff.
Can you play the first 6 beats or the second half of 12 beats (6-11) any which way when playing Bulerias in 6's ?
For example you play beats 12-5 , three times changing the chords or whatever then in the 4th cycle of compas of 6's you switch over to beats 6-11 and do some continuous rasguado as resolution ? Or is it always just the first 6 beats.
Also , people say they only play in 6's in jerez but is that a strict rule with no exceptions , because sometimes in recordings it sounds like they do play 12 beat compas aswel , usually as little interludes between the cante.
I feel like i'm missing something.
Any help would be much appreciated, let me know if i need to elaborate also because my words often fail me.
If I understand your first question... it's not like people are saying you repeat the A(12) Bflat(3) motif again and again before resolving to A on a 10, I don't think you ever hear that.
In part the buleria in 6s thing is like, well half compases pop up all the time and they are so natural that there is no jolt and they don't feel like a suprise.
The Jerez buleria, if you like think of a repeating percussive compas in 6s overwhich a standard hamonic compas in 12s fits very neatly. When accompanying a singer a guitarist might just play a chord lightly on every 3rd beat (you can say 12-3-12-3 etc in your head as you do that if it helps) Then when the singer is done you throw in a standard 12 beat harmonic signiture pattern (the chord progression you have been hearing) without worrying if you are at 12 or at 6 (i.e if you did an odd or even number of six beat cycles)
One of the bulerias on Cameron's Nuestro album has this sort of feel.
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RE: Writing my first buleria (in reply to withinity)
quote:
ORIGINAL: withinity
I'm a bit confused about Bulerias in 6's, have been looking up old medio compas threads lately but since its now being brought up in a recent thread I might aswel ask and hopefully someone can clarify some stuff.
Can you play the first 6 beats or the second half of 12 beats (6-11) any which way when playing Bulerias in 6's ?
For example you play beats 12-5 , three times changing the chords or whatever then in the 4th cycle of compas of 6's you switch over to beats 6-11 and do some continuous rasguado as resolution ? Or is it always just the first 6 beats.
Also , people say they only play in 6's in jerez but is that a strict rule with no exceptions , because sometimes in recordings it sounds like they do play 12 beat compas aswel , usually as little interludes between the cante.
I feel like i'm missing something.
Any help would be much appreciated, let me know if i need to elaborate also because my words often fail me.
The "extra" 6's are almost always the 6-11 feel. THe ambiguity appears when one accents count 9, which can also happen often, and that gets the heart of the true symmetry of the overall compas such that really is not a difference between the first half and the second half of 12's...they can overylay and work just fine in other words.
THere is no jerez rule...what you might notice eventually is that certain players such as MANUEL MORAO, would do a half compas remate when playing for cante, EVERY TIME....moraito explains it matter of factly in his encuentro video. What that means is, in a typcial 3 line letra, the C-F (or F-C if you prefer) harmony goes with the second line of verse, and the jerez players will more often do an extra 6 to close Bb-A. Other players might prefer to add a rasueado closing to that ....even moraito would do this often, so the compas become a square normal 12 count....but his uncle always omitted that rasgueado closing. It becomes a personal stylistic guitar choice that need not affect the singer really. Check the topic involved in the Cante accompaniment thread, there are clear examples.
RE: Writing my first buleria (in reply to Dudnote)
Thanks for the replies, still digesting though i can hear what you mean about Manual Morao's remate. Starting to think i have another problem aswel tying into this, which is not actually knowing enough progressions/chords which can confuse listening, could also be an overall lack of understanding towards the compas. Eitherway...
Will defiantly have a deep look at the Cante Acomp thread and find those examples.
Also whats the name of that Buleria from Camaron if you don't mind dudnote.
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