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El Kiko
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RE: What do people think flamenco is ? (in reply to Morante)
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yes Sr Martins as i said .. ''it was the music of the people '' was meaning .. in the past .. meaning the history of the music ....it was .. Nowadays , obviously , it doesn't apply .. A lot of folk music was like that ...hence folk , meaning people .. music the point was that it is not by design , meant to be unaccessable /.. Why should I , or anyone show ..how to measure "musical goodness".? it would never happen ... I dont even know what musical goodness means.. or is .. as was mentioned lots of times by others and me ,, if you like it ...it good ,. I am at a loss for what your getting at ...never mind ... And I dont think flamenco needs to be "saved" or explained to people, i dont know where that came from , so cannot offer any explanation at all ...Perhaps you have misinterpreted some earlier post Having gone around full circle now I feel the thread drawing to a close .. I was re-reading a bit of this and find that Morante earlier kind of summed the whole thing up in his phrase.. '''"People" should not be underestimated.''' I think this is very true .. if only I had said that instead .... In short .. people like music .. some bits more than others .. some songs more than others .. and to be honest It's a mystery as to why .. Most of us will like bits of all kinds of music ,, and also unlike bits of all types of music .. personal choice rules ... Its value seems to be psychological .. it can make you feel better ..happier .. I dont think we will ever know when music started ..or the first instruments ..the voice i guess .. But since that time we have been messing about with it and its so good, in all its forms , that it stays with us . i'm not sure what its main function is , but we cant stay away from it .. its all over .. it defines cultures , tells histories , forms part of cultural gatherings and identities .. Wether we study it or just listen to some CDs we like .. people like music .. in its many forms .
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Date Mar. 12 2015 19:38:31
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pink
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RE: What do people think flamenco is ? (in reply to Sr. Martins)
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ORIGINAL: Sr. Martins In the end I get the feeling that this was a masturbatory thread. So ,with a well needed restpite in place from such a pained subject, requiring intensely sustained public interrogation...real ''in the field'', journalistic valour, I again found myself facing the high street hoard....what would this new day bring? Subject four......Troy Milanzo from Cheddar Gorge, Mendip Hills ,Somerset.......maker of cheese and designer of rolling pins??.... Answer given.......Well son your talking to the right man. When I'm not day jobbing,or naked cage fighting at Franks Bar and Salon, I'm playing Cajon.....there's nothing I like more than to beat one out of an evening.....keeps me wrists flexed and my palms receptive if ya get my drift......? Subject five......Frank Pinata from Rodney 'Stroke' near Cheddar,Mendip Hills, Somerset ........bar and salon owner also known for award winning home grown champion marrows. Answer given......don't tell me, you've been talking to that old t osser Troy haven't ya.....well its not true .....I kept it covered at all times and it was only three thrapps and I was done. I kept in time with the cajon though and the officer said the judge may be lenient .......???? Subject six......Terrance Bishop from Wookey Hole Somerset.....artisan dildo maker and polisher of bells. Answer given.......get off my land ,I've just given my twelve bore a good sand blasting and by god I'm not afraid to let you have it!!! ...... At this point I decided to beat a hasty retreat back to my hotel. Good luck with deciphering these findings....but they may too,sit well with the rest! Best pink
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Date Mar. 12 2015 22:16:38
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qzack
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RE: What do people think flamenco is ? (in reply to El Kiko)
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Oh, common folk in my place (Indonesia) were like don't even know what it is hahaha i roughly believe it's about 90% of the people and the rest 10% are either guitarist or hardcore music enthusiaist who know what the word means and usually originated in big cities that has acceptable access quality to internet and home to a vast growing number of musician. But from the rest 10% think most of them believes that Flamenco is a spanishy mexican style where you can just simply play E minor harmonic scales along with an accompaniment of rythm guitar playing E, F, G kind of progression. Seriously, if you play at least rumba, the most common thing I heard is... "oh cool, mexican guitar right? Sounds like what antonio banderas was playing in the movie..." When you start playing stuff like solea, seguiriya, and bulerias they will think your playing sounds like an arabic tunes. About the dance, people still know flamenco is one of the style but.... often mistakenly consider Every. Single. Dance that looks spanishy to be flamenco. Most often is the Argentinian Tango that is considered too as flamenco to them One thing also, is that I often heard that they think flamenco is kinda sophisticated and hard to understand even some say it is boring. Especially the singing. They told me like why do they have to scream like that? Nice power, but still its not enjoyable, and you know what? Some of them think that the singing sounds like athan (muslim call for prayers) or quran reciting. Even just today, I played gitano de lucia in a park and there's a guy who listened to then after I finished, he approached me started to ask me to play common pop songs, reggae or alike instead. Telling me that i play better than the rest folk who just can play simple chords but spending my time playing boring music. Not to mention there's one guy too who was the head of indonesian rythm foundation (musician NGO but not really that famous) told me that flamenco will be considered as a rubbish in Indonesia and he also asked me to just go promote flamenco abroad where people is more tolerant to the genre
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Date Mar. 15 2015 10:46:15
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BarkellWH
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RE: What do people think flamenco is ? (in reply to qzack)
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Hello, Qzack. Good to hear from someone in Indonesia. I lived and worked for four years in Indonesia, and for four years in Malaysia as well. I agree that flamenco is almost a totally foreign and largely unknown genre, particularly in Indonesia, but in Malaysia as well, although it appears to be a bit better known among a small group in Kuala Lumpur. There was, and presumably still is, a relatively active (though not large) community of flamenco aficionados in Singapore. I can see where cante flamenco sounds vaguely like the Azan to the unsophisticated ear. Of course, it does not follow the melodic pattern of the Azan at all, but it bears a slight resemblance due to the Moorish influence. Bill
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