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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 3 2014 20:15:36

Pimientito

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Since all the shops have been closed all weekend because of the fiesta I was pleased to be able to get a copy of La busqueda yesterday afternoon.

Even if you have seen the documentary already Im sure that this is a set that every Paco fan will want to have. Most of Pacos records have sold well despite the packaging. This will sell BECAUSE of the packaging. If your family dont know what to get you for Christmas yet then this should be on your list.

Universal really have done a great job with this set. La Busqueda comes in a 3 page digipack featuring the documentary DVD. Unlike the DVD in the Conciertos en España 2010 pack, this one also comes with English subtitles. Also included are 2 CDs with 29 tracks all remastered in October 2014 from the discography that really reflect his best work over the decades. These include a couple of live tracks I have not heard before.

Best of all is a 28 page colour book full of concert photos, memorabilia and concert tickets. The whole package is full of great photos and art work.
I cant really add anything about the documentary that has not already been said. If you have been following Pacos career over the last few decades then there wont be much new to see but I think overall its a good compilation.

I have added this work to the discography under Box sets and compilations

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 9 2014 16:08:49

Paul Magnussen

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RE: "Toda una gira" Paco -... (in reply to Pimientito)

“En Febrero de 2014 fallecía de forma inesperada Paco de Lucía […]”

Not all that inesperada, when you get down to it. It depresses me now every time I see a fag in his fingers or hanging out of his mouth — which seems to be most of the time he isn’t playing, and a good chunk of the time that he is

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 9 2014 18:51:35

barblackmore

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RE: "Toda una gira" Paco -... (in reply to Guest)

I´m slighty dissapointed with this release.
Ok, the presentation is fantastic...very beautiful, really great artwork, amazing booklet, many nice photos...
But a 2 cd anthology? Most people who buys this anthology already own Paco´s collection, I think. This should have been a Double Dvd, having the documentary, and another dvd full of concert footage that we all already have seen on youtube, but has not been released officially yet
The "Live in Montreux" series is awesome, and has a quite large cataloge
Paco recorded there in 1978 and 1984 I think
There´s also a little "Monasterio de Sal" here http://www.reelinintheyears.com/search/index.php (search Paco de Lucia)
Reelin in the years, by the way, is the footage company behind those amazing JAZZ ICONS dvd series
There is a great clip of Gitanos Andaluces, taken from a digital broadcast, ready to download in the Central Box http://www.thecentralbox.com/videos-en-vivo-y-acustico/120657-paco-de-lucia-gitanos-andaluces-kanguru-1985-a.html
We have a lot of bootleg dvds...Moscow 1986, Greece 1990, Japan 1989
The documentary has wasted an oportunity to release SOMETHING of that huge legacy on a official release
P.D: Wouldn´t it be great if we all contribute to a Paco´s video list? A pdf where EVERY Paco´s footage is listed. Would it be great for fan and collectors

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 9 2014 19:10:33

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RE: "Toda una gira" Paco -... (in reply to barblackmore)

Well there is a point to have a nice DVD of concertfootage in HD quality...but we can get that on youtube already. I agree more should simply be available commercially for fans. But I remain hopeful that there is more to be made off of Paco's career and growing fame, and in time new (old concerts) will come out. The cleaned up Rito y Geografia series for example is gold. As for the audio CD I was surprised as well, but I noticed the tracks are the ones used to illustrate points in the film, it is not random selection. Likewise, years ago, I felt it was arbitary to have the "Flamenco" CD that couples with Saura film...ie it's the movie "soundtrack". It is a pretty normal thing to do, I for one don't mind it at all.

The best concert footage HD quality available, IMO, is the 2010 concert in Germany where Faru breaks his heel off and Al Dimeola joins him as a guest at the end. That is a great finale to his career IMO, playing is not bad at all especially the buleria solo. While I would love to have it on DVD, nothing stoping me from plugging my ipad into the HD TV and enjoy on the big screen anyway, great sound and picture....the best really, even better than the DVD's I have of older (better performed) concerts anyway.

In terms of a discography of bootleg video...that would be something. If organized by date a single poster could compile a list as Mark has done with the extensive recording discography, but....as much work as it is, it seem quite easy these day to just type in the seach and find what you want to see. Almost everything he ever recorded has been caught on film I think, often multiple times.

PS, that video of Gitanos Andaluces is funny....playback to the live album but with Jose Maria Bandera pretending to sing like his uncle Pepe! holy mili vanilli!!!!

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 10 2014 3:12:12

Filip

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The two CDs from La Busqueda are in fact themes played in the movie, arranged chronologically so one can follow the evolution. It makes sense to me.

And yes, there are quite a lot of videos everywhere and easily accessible, but I would still like to see an official DVD release (agree with Ricardo, 2010 concert in Germany is awesome and bulerias solo is fantastic; also, 2001 Vienne concert is amazing). We have only seen two concert DVDs until now (Germany 1996 and one that came with the old documentary which is in fact a selection of themes, not the whole concert). I think that definitely there is more space there and we should see some new DVD releases (at least I would so like that to happen).

Also for the audio recordings (I was a bit surprised that 2010 live album did not include solo bulerias). Curro said in one interview that there are some recordings never published before (I think he referred to new compositions). He also said that he is not interested in pushing those since La Busqueda was "his thing". So who knows, as much as I would like those recording to see the light of the day, maybe they never will (as Curro said, if Paco never wanted to publish those, then there's got to be a reason for that).

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 10 2014 9:47:20

Pimientito

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RE: "Toda una gira" Paco -... (in reply to Ricardo)

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If organized by date a single poster could compile a list as Mark has done with the extensive recording discography

Good luck to anyone taking up that challenge. 9 months later, I still have yet to finish the discography.

I will agree though that there is a lot of material that I would like to have on DVD such as the Freiberg concert
with John McLaughlin, the 70s Spanish TV show with the weird sculpture in the background, Some of the concert footage with Joaquin Grillo etc.
It would be nice if some of this material were "officially" released

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 11 2014 14:15:25

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RE: "Toda una gira" Paco -... (in reply to Guest)

I forgot the London 1981 Special where he´s playing with the Sextet. A compressed mpeg taken from an old vhs is circulating
The Freiberg concert is circulating as a Torrent, in full dvd. It has good quality considering it´s an unnofficial release of a +20years old concert
There is an official dvd called "GUITAR HEROES AT THE BBC" It´s obviously most based on rock, but still has some pretty flamenco clips, with amazing quality: Paco Peña playing bulerías, and PDL doing Almoraima (mistakenly credited as "Entre Dos Aguas" jaja)
-Montreux 2010 is also everywhere, but i recommend to search the .ts HD file. It´s jawbreaking! Seeing PDL is HD is something truly unforgettable
After Paco´s passing, RTVE broadcasted some shows that are now circulating on compressed avi quality
-La Hora de Paco de Lucia (including those bulerias with Camaron that we have all seen one million times, and that infamous quote "The left is creative, the right is an executioner" which brought him so much trouble)
-Almeria 1974: a really important show, because 98% of Paco Video footage is himp laying with the Sextet-Septet. That Almeria footage is, as far as i know, one of the very few clips of him playing solo in the flamenco guitar concert tradition of Sabicas-Escudero

P.D: This is the kind of document i´d love to see compiling Paco de Lucia footage http://www.roryon.com/VIDEOGRAPHYjan14.pdf (Rory Gallagher on a flamenco forum? Well, at least there is a recording of him playing with Juan Martin!)

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 12 2014 10:33:04

Filip

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RE: "Toda una gira" Paco -... (in reply to Ricardo)

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Also that short Tesoros program that Gamboa produced

Which one is it with Paco? I looked on yt and can't find it.

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the ONLY time he ever screws up on Entre dos Aguas in history Curro chooses THAT spot to show in his movie

Is this about the beginning of E2A in the last scene of the documentary where Paco starts a bit late with the melody?

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jun. 27 2024 19:58:53

Ricardo

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RE: "Toda una gira" Paco -... (in reply to Filip)

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Which one is it with Paco? I looked on yt and can't find it.

Starts with Tico tico, but honestly we have all the footage that was used in higher quality at this point…back when it was compiled it was an important little documentary, but not anymore.

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Is this about the beginning of E2A in the last scene of the documentary where Paco starts a bit late with the melody?

No, from the special feature on Paco in 1976, stripped jacket. It is his most famous version of Entre, but gosh he has a few mistakes that he doesn’t normally make. His son extracted that bit where he was lost improvising and fumbling down the bass string for a second. But to be honest, he chooses those bit constantly in all the performances. Like Panaderos he misses a note and laughs, and that is small bit he used. It is obviously deliberate.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jun. 28 2024 11:44:25

Filip

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RE: "Toda una gira" Paco -... (in reply to changue)

Thanks Ricardo. Honestly I would never note that bit and that it is a mistake.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jun. 30 2024 6:43:48

Ricardo

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RE: "Toda una gira" Paco -... (in reply to Filip)

it is just amusing to me. Because I have watched all these amazing videos over the years, so I know his typical way of doing things on stage and he made mistakes so rarely that the little issues have collected in my mind like a small file drawer of anomalies. But the first documentary video his son did (2010 live in Spain package, 2 CD one DVD) it was as if someone busted into my file drawer and just laid it all out on the table.

It was so obvious to me I felt it was deliberate, as if he wanted to play dumb about “what do think of my video dad???” Paco probably was very frustrated….assuming he watched it. He admits in interviews he can’t stand to listen his own playing, even from perfect studio recordings. I am sure it is even worse for him to see it on video, so likely he never watched. When the second documental came out after he died, I realized the mistakes his son were capturing were by design to show the human side of his father…plus he would smile or laugh sometimes when he screws up. The two perfect performances he left in the movie were the opening credit buleria, and the Malagueña when he was young.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jun. 30 2024 14:23:27

Filip

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RE: "Toda una gira" Paco -... (in reply to changue)

Yeah, I get your point.
The first time I've seen Paco's mistakes on the official material was the rondeña screw up in 2010 live cd accompanying video and I was quite surprised. But I actually think that he was in some way screwing up that same part in lots of occasions on his last tours (for example, in Belgrade when he played a blanca and when he left the stage right after finishing that rondeña).
Sometimes he smiled as you said and I loved those.

I am curious what is in general considered a mistake at playing? I am asking because first I am not musically educated, and also because you say Paco makes mistakes very rarely. I get that playing out of compass is a mistake though :)

So for example, the spot I mentioned in my previous post in E2A when he starts a bit later (or at least that is what seems to me), or alegrias picado in Bulgaria '88. Or this, this, this, or this. All look like mistakes to me, but Don't really know.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 1 2024 21:50:34

Ricardo

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RE: "Toda una gira" Paco -... (in reply to Filip)

Musical mistake=anything that was unindented. OR something that is universally “wrong” such as an objectively comparable interpretation of some notes and rhythms that differ from the source in a way that is normally not acceptable. The grey area will be artistic liberty all artists are afforded. Like N. Ricardo 15 beat buleria falsetas, or Paul Gilbert’s and Steve Vai’s examples that were dragging out of time, but upon playback comparison to the corrected versions, the printed “mistakes” were chosen as “better” for whatever reason. That is very grey area of course. Every musician is confronted with his OWN inadequacies, as J. Mclaughlin once talked about, and why we have to work so hard. A good example is the recent discussion about the buleria pulgar Norman and I had. I deliberately changed the falseta due to my own short comings that I explain on video. To Norman this alteration is basically a musical mistake, or unwarranted change to the music ie “wrong”.

Going back to PDL documentary…that malagueña actually has a missed note or two, but it is not the focus of the film so flies by unnoticed. Very different than other specific short clips where the error is smack dead center extracted from the otherwise perfect whole.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 2 2024 17:52:36

Filip

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RE: "Toda una gira" Paco -... (in reply to changue)

Sorry for not responding earlier. I've been having problems with logging in, basically whenever I log in I can see my name in the "Users viewing this topic:", but as soon as I refresh the page or go to a new page or try to post a message, I get logged out. I'm using Chrome/Firefox, and just tried Safari now and from the second attempt it worked and and I can now post.

Anyway, thanks for the explanation about mistakes. I never thought of it that way, but it makes a lot of sense.

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To Norman this alteration is basically a musical mistake, or unwarranted change to the music ie “wrong”.

Glad I noticed this because I don’t consider it a mistake. You arranged it to suit your preferences, and it’s good music. What I said about beat 2.5 doesn’t detract from the music (details go by in a flash), and I said it to explain why I didn’t want to pursue it. I could have worded it differently, but I pushed back at you because I find it harder to play.

It’s smart guitar strategy with traditional moves and it sounds good.

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