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guitarbuddha

 

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RE: Farruca Challenge??? (in reply to cristina

Hi Cristina. Looks like you have got some energy to take the conversation forward and some good ideas and insights.

I am sorry to say I have lost interest participating in this discussion. I really enjoyed the vintage recoding though.

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guitarbuddha

 

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RE: Farruca Challenge??? (in reply to athrane77

That goes far and beyond the, admittedly broad, remit of the flamenco police Jof.

I think we need to call in the Avant Gaurdians. Fortunately I think they share the same offices.

D.
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Sr. Martins

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RE: Farruca Challenge??? (in reply to guitarbuddha

The ideal behind bulerucas was to play half of each. People could get creative with the transition por just stop and begin the other palo.

Playing farruca over bulerias compas would be too confusing for a challenge.

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koenie17

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RE: Farruca Challenge??? (in reply to athrane77



That was just..... shocking!

Is that guy for real, or was it just some kind of joke?

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Leñador

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RE: Farruca Challenge??? (in reply to guitarbuddha

That makes my soul hurt......

This challenge should have SOMETHING to do with cante...

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El Kiko

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RE: Farruca Challenge??? (in reply to guitarbuddha

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Play the sung melody of the farruca por arriba making Cs (relative to third fret capo) C# and Bs Bbs. Adjusty any other notes that sound bad and work out a chord progression to suit. Then objectively and honestly start again with this as a first draft.

yep , thats it , who could possibly argue against it ?/!!....beginners sorted out then , soo... ...now what about the intermediate .....

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Leñador

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RE: Farruca Challenge??? (in reply to guitarbuddha

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Play the sung melody of the farruca por arriba making Cs (relative to third fret capo) C# and Bs Bbs. Adjusty any other notes that sound bad and work out a chord progression to suit. Then objectively and honestly start again with this as a first draft.

LOL I'm so lost now.............

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Ramon Amira

 

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RE: Farruca Challenge??? (in reply to Ricardo

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Well, it's simply not true, tempo fluctuations (stretching compas?) are absolutely permitted in any palo and often a requirement when accompanying. This video example he pretty much holds around 85 bpm for the entire piece until the end and one spot in the middle where it builds and stops. "out of compas" is simply not an appropriate description regardless of opinions of interpretation.


I agree - tempo fluctuations are appropriate in any palo, including Farruca. But you have to define "tempo fluctuations" You can play in strict time throughout, and then have a passage played at a slower tempo - but - still in strict time. So the tempo has fluctuated, but the player has played in strict time all the way through, simply at different tempos. That tempo fluctuation is always permissible, and frequently desirable.

That is a tempo fluctuation. And as it happens, Farruca is a perfect example of that. I have accompanied Farruca baile many times, and it's generally played at a fairly moderate tempo, but there's always a passage where the tempo gets much faster, and the dancer goes into some rapid footwork. But even at the faster tempo, I have to play in strict time. So the tempo has changed, but the music has never been out of strict time.

However, I wasn't referring to tempo fluctuation when I said he's "stretching the compas." I was sticking to flamenco terminology with "compas," but had I been talking about classical guitar I would have said "rubato." Rubato isn't really a tempo fluctuation - it's stretching a beat or more, so someone using rubato would be considered in time. That's what I was referring to - rubato.

It comes back to what I said originally - if someone feels it's okay to use rubato in Farruca, then he's not out of compas. But if someone feels - as I do - that Farruca should be played in strict time, then he's out of compas.

Ramon

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leigh

 

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RE: Farruca Challenge??? (in reply to athrane77

i seen this guy playing in eindhoven at burgers I left after his first set it was awful to listen to live
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athrane77

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RE: Farruca Challenge??? (in reply to leigh

Really?
How was the response from the audience?
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jun. 23 2014 12:20:56
 
leigh

 

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RE: Farruca Challenge??? (in reply to athrane77

the response wasn't that good. I spoke to a few people and the found it really to much just a lot of noise !!!
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Ramon Amira

 

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RE: Farruca Challenge??? (in reply to leigh

This forum is about flamenco. Since this "Flamenco Thief" guy is playing just a lot of silly nonsense gibberish that has nothing whatsoever to do with flamenco in any way, shape, or form, why are we even discussing him.

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Ramon Amira

 

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RE: Farruca Challenge??? (in reply to athrane77

Cool.

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Bliblablub

 

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RE: Farruca Challenge??? (in reply to athrane77

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ORIGINAL: jof



Are you guys retarded or something? I see nothing wrong neither with the music itself as a style nor with the labeling of it. He clearly didn't label it as flamenco. If he calls himself a flamenco guitarrist somewhere else he obviously is a douche. I find this loop thingy interesting, but it is not something I would listen to and it is not the pinnacle of guitar composition. And by the way: it doesn't has to be.
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Leñador

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RE: Farruca Challenge??? (in reply to guitarbuddha

You may like it, and that's fine for you, but we're allowed to think it's not worth it's length in toilet paper.

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Ramon Amira

 

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RE: Farruca Challenge??? (in reply to Leñador

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You may like it, and that's fine for you, but we're allowed to think it's not worth it's length in toilet paper.


I disagree. It IS worth its length in toilet paper.

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Leñador

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RE: Farruca Challenge??? (in reply to guitarbuddha

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I disagree. It IS worth its length in toilet paper.

I see what you did there, lolol.

Every non-Spanish flamenco player goes through this stage when we FIRST start getting into it. Then we get better and realize why it sucks.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jul. 1 2014 14:59:37
 
El Kiko

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RE: Farruca Challenge??? (in reply to Leñador

is this challenge thread dead now? Leñ ?

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jul. 10 2014 20:50:35
 
Leñador

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RE: Farruca Challenge??? (in reply to guitarbuddha

Creo que si
I didn't see a huge amount of interest and everyones got their own ideas..........

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El Kiko

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RE: Farruca Challenge??? (in reply to Leñador

You have to take the bull by the nose and lead the horse to water , then tell people how it is ... then its as easy as falling off a piece of cake ..,step up to the plate and lay your cards on the table. it'll be ok when the fan hits the roof.

there has to be another challenge sometime ...

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jul. 11 2014 18:28:09
 
Leñador

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RE: Solea por Buleria challenge??? (in reply to guitarbuddha

Alright, Solea por Buleria challenge!!
MUST have:
Intro (either rhythmic or falseta)
llamada
One letra (no one has to be singing in your recording but you have to play what would be played in one letra)
Ending (Either rhythmic or falseta or both)
You can stick some compas strumming between these parts but it must have these parts in this order.

Why I like this: It forces beginners and intermediates to start thinking of things in terms of component parts that all go together to make a song rather than "How do I string a bunch of falsetas together?"
Knowing how to put together parts is a big deal in flamenco.........bigger deal than having a fast picado.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jul. 11 2014 20:17:48
 
El Kiko

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RE: Solea por Buleria challenge??? (in reply to Leñador

now your talking ...we will spread the word ... i will personally go and knock on the doors of prospective entrees ...bump the thread and start getting it into shape ... i havent done much of this palo .. just a few falsetas and stuff ....

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Leñador

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RE: Solea por Buleria challenge??? (in reply to guitarbuddha

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i havent done much of this palo .. just a few falsetas and stuff ....


I haven't either and I'm supposed to accompany a dance class performance for it in August I only get to practice it with them like 3 times before the performance, fingers crossed hahaha

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aeolus

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RE: Farruca Challenge??? (in reply to guitarbuddha

Piece of cake! Count me out.
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El Kiko

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RE: Farruca Challenge??? (in reply to aeolus

as easy as falling off a piece of cake?

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