Bulerias por fiesta: 2 guitar falsettas

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turnermoran

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Bulerias por fiesta: 2 guitar falsettas

Curious if anyone knows about the making of Manuel Morao's "Fiesta y Cante Jondo" album?

Specifically, how the two guitars on the opening bulerias play no less than 20 falsettas over the course of nearly 30 minutes in which they are in perfect unison.

Did they work it all out ahead of time? How do you even remember 20+ Falsettas to be played in the heat of the moment, not knowing what the singer is going to do and all of that business?

I don't buy any of the "These guys have a sympatico from playing together for years" business in this situation. It's not like one guitar and initiates and the other follows immediately. They are both starting at the exact same moment on the majority of them.

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Nahuel03

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RE: Bulerias por fiesta: 2 guitar fa... (in reply to turnermoran)

To talk about this, i would like to listen this album first

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kikkoman

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RE: Bulerias por fiesta: 2 guitar fa... (in reply to turnermoran)

its probably either just rehearsed, and the "fiesta" scenario is not some spontaneous party, or they always play the same sequence of falsetas with each other.

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turnermoran

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RE: Bulerias por fiesta: 2 guitar fa... (in reply to kikkoman)

I believe 1 guitar is Moraito judging by the toque, or maybe it's his uncle or other source from which perhaps he learned the falsettas?

I suppose it would make sense they play the same falsettas in sequence, but that sounds very un-flamenco given the sheer number of them and how specific they all are. Clearly I am not understanding how fiesta style bulerias is performed in studio..

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turnermoran

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RE: Bulerias por fiesta: 2 guitar fa... (in reply to Nahuel03)

Spotify? I couldn't find anything on YouTube. I would upload the track but I'm too short on time and don't know how to do it already.

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turnermoran

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RE: Bulerias por fiesta: 2 guitar fa... (in reply to turnermoran)

The album is actually called "JEREZ: fiesta y cante Jondo".
And it's killin

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mezzo

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RE: Bulerias por fiesta: 2 guitar fa... (in reply to turnermoran)

Are you talking about this one?

It's Moraito' guitar. They jaleo him all the time. Call him Manuel or Morao. When falsetas come in the jaleos are all directed to Moraito. So I think he was the only one to perform them. If there were 2 tocaores to play the falsetas they would have shout the othername at least once, or something like 'Ole los Dos'. Never heard of this...

The other guitarist is Nino de Perequin.
http://www.valladolidwebmusical.org/imprescindibles/jerezcante.htm

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el carbonero

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RE: Bulerias por fiesta: 2 guitar fa... (in reply to turnermoran)

NO there only moraito , he play one time the entiere bulerias with the singers and falsetas and later he record a seconde time .

If you listen moraito accompagning , he do that very often .
Especially in bulerias.

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mark indigo

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RE: Bulerias por fiesta: 2 guitar fa... (in reply to el carbonero)

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NO there only moraito , he play one time the entiere bulerias with the singers and falsetas and later he record a seconde time .

If you listen moraito accompagning , he do that very often .
Especially in bulerias.

on the back of the cd it says;

"Moraíto Chico, guitar" and "Niño de Periquin accompagnement à la guitar dans la Fiesta" (ie. the Bulerías)

Does that mean they deleted Niño de Periquin off the recording and overdubbed Moraíto for the second guitar?

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Nahuel03

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RE: Bulerias por fiesta: 2 guitar fa... (in reply to turnermoran)

I never tried Spotify before

I'm a bit "rustic" Je je je

Anyway, i definitely think that these guys are able to play 20, 30 or 50 falsetas together and one after another. You told us that “I don't buy any of the "These guys have a sympatico from playing together for years" business in this situation”, but dud, they are just ****ing amazing.

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turnermoran

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RE: Bulerias por fiesta: 2 guitar fa... (in reply to Nahuel03)

You're probably right..

That two guitarists can rehearse a sequence of 30 falsettas and keep everything straight in a live recording with tons of improvisation that is 30 minutes seems hard to believe.
Yes – they're amazing – and I'm probably just under estimating.

The overdubbing would explain it, though that does not sound like what happened. That would be a strange way to produce the track given the live "fiesta" vibe. It's not like one of the studio tracks from moraito's albums.

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turnermoran

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RE: Bulerias por fiesta: 2 guitar fa... (in reply to mezzo)

Mezzo - yes! That's the track. Thanks!

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Ricardo

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RE: Bulerias por fiesta: 2 guitar fa... (in reply to el carbonero)

quote:

ORIGINAL: el carbonero

NO there only moraito , he play one time the entiere bulerias with the singers and falsetas and later he record a seconde time .

If you listen moraito accompagning , he do that very often .
Especially in bulerias.

This is correct....he often over dubbed 2nd parts after the "live" take in the studio....if you listen in headphones it is more obvious.

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turnermoran

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RE: Bulerias por fiesta: 2 guitar fa... (in reply to Ricardo)

Thanks guys. That certainly explains it.
But what do you make of the other guitarist credited on the album - with "(fiesta)" next to his name? As if to say he appears only on that one track?

Did he not in fact play on the fiesta bulerias?

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el carbonero

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RE: Bulerias por fiesta: 2 guitar fa... (in reply to turnermoran)

Niño de periquin ?
Manuel Jero ?

Strange , i remember there are only moraito and his overdub , i must to listen again , but i doubt.

Moraito was able to play bulerias with perfect accompaning and falsetas one night continous.
I m not surprise.

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