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RAMÓN MONTOYA & CARLOS MONTOYA
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BarkellWH
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 RE: RAMÓN MONTOYA & CARLOS MONTOYA (in reply to zata)
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That is amazing film footage of Ramon Montoya and his nephew Carlos Montoya, Estela. What is even more amazing is that they are playing together. My understanding has always been that Ramon did not consider Carlos worthy of his attention and refused to teach him. As a result Ramon and Carlos were estranged, and after Carlos became famous he rarely, if ever, acknowledged Ramon, I suppose with good reason from Carlos' point of view.
Cheers,
Bill
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With the name of the late deceased,
And the epitaph drear, "A fool lies here,
Who tried to hustle the East."
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Date Apr. 6 2014 11:54:40
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zata
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RE: RAMÓN MONTOYA & CARLOS MONTOYA (in reply to Ricardo)
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sounds like Probably this was filmed in Paris
According to the IMDB, the filming locations were as follows:
Málaga, Málaga, Andalucía, Spain
Ronda, Málaga, Andalucía, Spain
Sevilla, Andalucía, Spain
UFA Studios, Germany
(studio)
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Date Apr. 6 2014 15:51:17
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montyswe
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RE: RAMÓN MONTOYA & CARLOS MONTOYA (in reply to zata)
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Hi,
My name is Patric Carlos Garcia Montoya and my grandfather was Carlos Montoya. My father is Raymond Carlos Garcia Montoya and he is Carlos Montoyas first (oldest) son. I was asked to come here to give some information about Carlos Montoyas relatives. About a year ago I posted this
http://boards.ancestry.com/surnames.montoya/780/mb.ashx. This is a copy and paste from the reply I recieved:
"You could help us as much as we could help you. Carlos Montoya was part of the most famous living flamenco dynasty in Spain today. He was the nephew of Ramon Montoya, uncle to "El Farruco" who was in turn father of "La farruca" and "Farruquito"...the blood line of Spains greatest flamenco dancers. According to our research Carlos had a son "Carlitos" and another Allan. Can you share your knowledge of Carlos montoyas blood line with us on the forum. Your input would be greatly appreciated"I just recieved a notification that pointed me to this thread.”
Im very impressed about the information I found in this thread and all the knowledge you all have about this. I could write a book about my father Raymond and his father Carlos Montoya, but Im going to try to keep it short. If you have any questions, please don’t hesitate to ask them. I have millions of questions…
When Carlos Montoya was 28 years old he had his first child, a son named Raymond Garcia Montoya, born in 1932-01-12. Carlos Montoya had three children: Raymond, Alan and Carlitos. Carlitos and Alan have the same mother. My father Raymond passed away 1998-05-11. Cancer took his life. I was with my father at the hospital (Stockholm, Sweden) when he passed away. When I was sitting at his bed I decided that I have to inform his brothers in the USA. I knew about Alan and Carlitos - I meet them in New York 1982 (I was only 12 years old at that time). I managed to find Alans telephone number in my father’s adressbook, so I called him. I informed Allan that he´s brother passed away and I also said that Raymond loved him very much – he use to speak about him as “his little brother from the USA”. After my conversation with Allan – who was very sad about Raymonds death -I decided to found out more about my grandfather and other relatives. I stumble upon an article in New York times that came to a surprise to me:
http://www.nytimes.com/learning/general/onthisday/bday/1213.html
In the article they mention two sons. Not Raymond. I thought that was strange and contacted ASCAP. After a few months with intense contacts I got the following email:
08/08/2001 09:35 AM
“On July 13th, I recommended to the Board of Directors that you and Michael Erikson be named and payed 1/6th successors to the ASCAP membership of Carlos Montoya. You will receive documentation to complete the above transfer very soon.”
07/09/2001 07:57 AM
“I have received the documents you have sent, and based upon them, will have no objection to appointing you as one of the successors to the membership. I am currently attempting to contact <lawers> attorney, <name>, to notify him of my intentions (at Mr. <name>,). Once I have done so, and find no objections on his part, we will send you and the other successors documents to be completed and returned to me which will finalize this matter so that you would be paid future royalties”
I was not interested in royalties, just an acknowledge that Raymond was the son of Carlos Montoya.
I really don’t know what happened between my father Raymond and my grandfather Carlos. I do know that my father found peace with him after Carlos died. He visited his grave and after that everything was fine and forgiven. There is no bad feelings between my father and his brothers Allan and Carlitos either.
A little summary about relatives to Carlos Montoya:
Hes oldest son Raymond Carlos Garcia Montoya, married Anna-Stina Nordmark (in Sweden) and they had one son, me Patric Carlos Garcia Montoya. I’m married to Therese Fridström Montoya and we have two children, a son named Vile Karl Garcia Montoya (5 years old) and a daughter named Yrla Klara Garcia Montoya (10 years old). Karl is the Swedish version of Carlos and Klara is a female version of the name Karl. I gave them the names Karl and Klara to honour my father Raymond and grandfather Carlos.
I don’t have any contact with Allan and Carlitos, but I would love to get in contact with Carlitos and hes children if he have any (my cousins).
Please note that Raymond had another son, Michael Eriksson, who is my “half-brother” (not the same mother).
Life is fantastic when you think about it. I´m sitting here typing this and outside is a little boy running around with his Star Wars toys. He got blond hair and big blue eyes and he got the same blood as the greatest flamenco artist of all time: his great grandfather Carlos Montoya.
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. The cast list doesn't show Henreid or Rathbone, in fact all the actors have Spanish names. 
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