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I have updated the list with all the singles and EPs I could find and put them in the original post . There are 2 versions of Entre dos Aguas and I dont know if the Dutch version is the same one as on the UK Paco album or if its the same as the Spanish version. It would be cool to know a bit more about the evolution of Entre dos Aguas.
7 INCH SINGLES and EPS El Camaron de la Isla- Fandangos, Bulerias, Alegrias, Tarantos (7” EP Mono) 1970 PHILIPS 62 24 005 El Camaron de la Isla- Tangos, Soleares, Bulerias por solea, Fandangos(7” EP Mono) 1970 PHILIPS 62 24 006 El Camaron de la Isla- Bulerias, Fandangos, Tientos Siguirillas(7” EP Mono) 1970 PHILIPS 62 24 007 El Camaron de la Isla- Solea, Granaina, Tangos, Fandangos (7” EP Mono) 1970 PHILIPS 62 24 011 El Camaron de la Isla- Bulerias, Tientos, Fandangos, Siguirillas(7” EP Mono) 1970 PHILIPS 62 24 012 El Camaron de la Isla-Romera, Taranto, Fandangos, Bulerias (7” EP Mono) 1970 PHILIPS 62 24 013 El Camaron de la Isla- Me La Tienes Controlá, En Espejo En Que Te Miras ,El Padre Santo De Roma, Estoy Cumpliendo Condena (7", EP) 1972 PHILIPS 62 24 031 El Camaron de la Isla y Paco de Lucia - Untitled (7” EP) 1972 PHILIPS 62 24 036 El Camaron de la Isla – Rosa Maria ( 7” single) Side B Vamos Nino pa la Bamba 1976 PHILIPS 60 29 351 El Camaron de la Isla – Mi Jaca que yo Tenia (7” EP mono) 1973 PHILIPS 62 24 053 El Camaron de la Isla – Caminito de Totana (7” EP) 1973 PHILIPS 62 24 054 Al Di Meola - Danza del sol Mediterraneo (7” single) side B Carrera con el Diablo en una Carrettera Espanola1977 CBS 5301 Interpreta A Manual de Falla (7” single) Side B Cancion de fuego Fatuo 1978 PHILIPS 69 29 422 El Virtuoso (12” promo -Netherlands) 1978 PHILIPS 68 30 302 Camaron – Tu amor para mi no es Fantasia (7”) Side B La Luz de Aquella farola1981 PHILIPS 60 29 545 Camaron - Como El Agua (7” single) Side B Gitana te Quiero 1981 PHILIPS 60 29 532 Camaron – Yo Vivo Enamorado (7”single) Side B-Yo soy el Viento 1983 PHILIPS 818 239 7 Camaron - Calle real (7”single)Side B Buleria de la Perla 1983 PHILPS 814 465-7 Camaron – Vivire (7”) Side B Mar Amargo 1984 PHILIPS 880 515-7 Rio Ancho (7”single) Side B- Ole (jaleos) 1976 PHILIPS 60 29 374 Almoraima (7”single) Side B- cueva del gato 1976 PHILIPS 60 29 357 Entre Dos Aguas (7”Spain) 1974 PHILIPS 60 29 261 Entre Dos Aguas (7” Netherlands) 1973 PHILIPS 60 29 261 Solo Quiero Caminar (7” single)Side B-Convite 1981 PHILIPS 60 29 531 Chanela (7”single) Side B-Montiño 1981 PHILIPS 60 29 518 Cancion de Amor (7" single) Side B- Almonte 1990 PHILIPS 878 236-7 John McLaughlin/Al di Meola – Aspan / Chiquito (7” promo) 1983 PHILIPS 812 899-7 John McLaughlin / Al di Meola - Friday night in San Fransisco (7” EP) Excerpts taken from the full abum 1981 PHILIPS 6847 004
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Wow...thanks Simon. Ok I found a reference that says Jose Merce first recorded in the 60s with Paco and Manolo Sanlucar but I cant find any listing of that album including Jose Merces own web site. Anyone with more info?
Fosforito (7" EP) Estas Haciendo que me Duela BELTER 52193
Paco De Lucia & Modrego Ricardo - Fiesta con Guitarras (7"EP) 1969 PHILIPS
Another strange compilation here. Paco de Lucia and Manitas de Plata. I actually have this one. It contains a very strange mix of material including a rare live track of Paco and Chato Amaya although listening to it I'm not convinced that it is Paco.
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I've never heard the whole of the Chiquitos album, can't seem to find it anywhere...
Ok I have update this today although corrections are welcomed. I think that the Chiquitos de Algeciras recordings were originally released in 1961 as 7" EPs Los Chiquitos De Algeciras vol.1 (7" EP) 1961 HISPAVOX 16.205 Los Chiquitos De Algeciras vol.2 (7"EP) 1961 HISPAVOX 16.206 Los Chiquitos de Algeciras vol.3 (7" EP) 1961 HISPAVOX 16.207
These 12 tracks were then released again as an album in 1963 HH 10.218 and it was re packaged in 1983 as vinyl LP HISPAVOX 150001. Later available on CD in 2003 (EMI)
I have added the EP pressings to the original list.
Lastly I have added a cover from an EP HH 25 502. This is a french issue featuring "Pepito Sánchez" and "Paquito Sánchez"
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I was listening to Chiquitos a week or so before Paco died. Man it is a great album. (I have the CD pictured). Paco sounds like he has no thumb nail, but the playing is still great. He tosses in a G minor chord (por medio) in Solea Accompaniment which I am thinking aficionados might have thought was pretty crazy back then.
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These 12 tracks were then released again as an album in 1963 HH 10.218 and it was re packaged in 1983 as vinyl LP HISPAVOX 150001. Later available on CD in 2003 (EMI)
Well, it doesn't make sense because the tracks on the disc, all 12 are HEAVY cantes...absolutely no buleria/fiesta gitana, no fandango de huelva, no tanguillo de cadiz, no bulerias por solea even. I would say the 1961 recordings are totally different. If I recall the story, they won the jerez prize in 1962, and with the money went to make their first record. Perhaps that was the LP but they had already recorded the EP's in the photo before the jerez contest? Here is track list:
solea de cadiz tientos de cadiz tarantos siguiriya de M. Torre Solea de Alcala Malagueña de Mellizo Solea de triana serrana tientos de chacon malagueñas de chacon debla,martinete, y tona siguiriyas de chacon
Thanks for that. I dont have the Chiquitos CD so I didnt check the tracks. From the EPS Vol.1 Baladilla De Los Tres Rios Romance A Mari-Paz Solea De Alcala Tanguillos De Malaga
Vol. 2 La Caña Fandangos De Huelva Fiesta Gitana Alegrias De Cadiz
Vol.3 Bulerias Por Solea Seguiriyas Gitanas Tanguillos De Cadiz Bulerias De Jose Maria
That must mean that the original Chiquitos tracks from the EPs have not been re-released
I forgot about another track on Juan Habichuelas "De la Zambra Al Duende" 1999 MERCURY 534556-2 where he plays Tangos.
I mentioned that one in my post about the box set with Mclaughlin. For me the important one is his first solo guitar recording you still don't have listed, I think it was 7" EP....in light and shade he holds it up and discusses it with his father as his first solo recording in 1964. I thought it was "La guitarra de Paco de lucia". THe 4 tracks are on "Descrubrir" disc that you mentioned already and is contained in the INtegral Box set...it also contains a lot of these other cameo appearances you keep finding, including Habichuela tango, Dolores group, Duquende buleria, Sevillana with Sanlucar, etc.
For me the important one is his first solo guitar recording you still don't have listed, I think it was 7" EP....in light and shade he holds it up and discusses it with his father as his first solo recording in 1964. I thought it was "La guitarra de Paco de lucia"
Apologies...yes I see you did post the Juan Habichuela track.
It was tough to find out much about the first EP. It was called "La Guitarra de Paco de Lucia" 1964 PHILIPS 430 996 PE and yes the 4 tracks are on "Por Descubrir" "Rondeñas" – 4:15 "Aires andaluces" – 2:10 "Piropo Gaditano” – 4:10 "Cielo Sevillano" – 2:10
It was difficult to even find a picture of it...I guess its super hard to find now. I had to go to Philips own data base to get the reference.
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Paco De Lucia & Ricardo Modrego - Fiesta con Guitarras (7"EP) 1965 PHILIPS 436 335 PE
I found a copy of this EP in Malaga. Its got no new tracks on since all four tracks come from Side A of "Dos Guitarras Flamencas". I'll leave it up to you to decide about the symbology of the front cover but the back is interesting as it advertises Pacos first EP alongside Ricardo Modregos EP FONTANA 467 770 TE and "la Guitarra de Juanito Serrano" PHILIPS 428 248 PE
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Very little left to list now. I think we have most of it collated now. Obviously I am not going to list all of the Camaron de la Isla compilations out there even though Paco will be on them.
Still finding a few odds and ends
MORE COMPILATIONS Alrededor del Mundo con Paco de Lucia (Argentina) PHILIPS 40.261 MC 4306 Best of Paco de Lucia CD 2001 MERCURY Canta Guitarra Canta 1976 IMPACTO Paco De Lucia- His greatest hits 1981 (Holland) PHILIPS 826 013-1
Fosforito con Paco de Lucia 1971 Fontana 64 29 031
ZYRYAB was also released as a 7 "promo single 1990 PHILIPS 868 024-7
Also a truly horrible house record featuring Paco Raul Orellana - The really wild House 1989 SPITFIRE MUSIC SPX - 110
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Does anyone here know individual titles and tracklists for these Fosforito/Paco recordings listed?
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Fosforito 1968 BELTER EP 52 190 Fosforito 1969 BELTER LP 22 360 Fosforito 1970 BELTER EP 52 275 Fosforito 1970 BELTER EP 52 361 Fosforito 1970 BELTER EP 52 365 Fosforito 1978 OLIMPO LP 20.28
I a CD called "Cante Y Guitarra" which says it was recorded "1968/69 at Belter Studios" so I guess is the second recording from the list?
I have a double CD "Selección Antológica del Cante Flamenco" of Fosforito and Paco with 48 tracks, all different to the ones on the the "Cante Y Guitarra" CD but no info about where or when they were recorded, what the original record label was or what the titles were of the original releases.
I also have a two CD box called "¡Genio Y Solera!" which has some overlap with the "Selección Antológica...", but some different tracks. Of the two CD's in the box, one is titled "¡Genio Y Solera!", but the other is titled "Cante Por Derecho". Again, there is no info about where or when they were recorded, what the original record label was or what the titles were of the original releases.
Does anyone have any info about these CD re-releases and what the original releases were?
I have tried searching online, but only find dates of CD compilations from the 2000's, and fuzzy pics of old singles on Fosforito's website (Some of the tracks match, but there's no other info). I did find a discography that listed Belter catalogue numbers for 4 EP's and 5 LP's of Fosforito with Paco, but again, no titles, tracklists or other info.
I have tried searching online, but only find dates of CD compilations from the 2000's, and fuzzy pics of old singles on Fosforito's website (Some of the tracks match, but there's no other info). I did find a discography that listed Belter catalogue numbers for 4 EP's and 5 LP's of Fosforito with Paco, but again, no titles, tracklists or other info.
I have hit quite dead end here as well. If anyone has any of the original Fosforito LPS , can they please tell us the track listings. The original BELTER LPs all seem to be called Fosforito and released in different years. I am trying to find the different tracks with little luck. As you say, there is maddingly little information about these recordings.
What is more frustrating is that lots of the compilations that have been released feature tracks by Fosforito and Paco de Lucia...but I dont know if they "new tracks" for the compilation or taken from old albums.
In the last month I found a few more albums in second hand record shops. Variado Flamenco 1974 ORLADOR 54.221 - features Tangos "Hasta el reloj se me para" by Fosforito and Paco de lucia
Cafe del Burrero 1975 OLYMPO L-235 features 2 tracks by PDL and Fosforito (other tracks feature Ramon de algeciras, Juan Maya marote and Juan Habichuela) Que tu me Hayas Olvidado (fandangos) No te des por Ofender (soleares)
I also found a compilation produced in former Yugoslavia The Spanish Guitar Paco de Lucia 1976 PHILIPS 6328 219 Features Guajiras, entre dos aguas etc.
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However my best find recently was at a car boot sale. I got this in nearly mint condition for only one Euro!!! Its compilation called Trio de Ases OLYMPO L-48 featuring 3 tracks by Lolita Valderrama and Paco de Algeciras on guitar. Milonga, Fandangos de lucena and Sevillanas.
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Very nice. Do you happen to know what relation (if any) Lolita was to Juanito?
I presume Paco at this point is still sounding much like a less sloppy Ricardo?
I don't mean to derail the thread, but I take issue with characterizations of Nino Ricardo as being a "sloppy" player. Sure, his technique was not as clean as that of contemporaries like Sabicas', but certainly not to the point of being considered "sloppy". In fact, I have heard unreleased recordings of Ricardo and Sabicas playing duets, and you cannot tell the difference between them -- technically, they sound as though they are equals (which I believe they essentially were).
Very nice. Do you happen to know what relation (if any) Lolita was to Juanito?
I presume Paco at this point is still sounding much like a less sloppy Ricardo?
I don't mean to derail the thread, but I take issue with characterizations of Nino Ricardo as being a "sloppy" player. Sure, his technique was not as clean as that of contemporaries like Sabicas', but certainly not to the point of being considered "sloppy". In fact, I have heard unreleased recordings of Ricardo and Sabicas playing duets, and you cannot tell the difference between them -- technically, they sound as though they are equals (which I believe they essentially were).
I have hit quite dead end here as well. If anyone has any of the original Fosforito LPS , can they please tell us the track listings. The original BELTER LPs all seem to be called Fosforito and released in different years. I am trying to find the different tracks with little luck. As you say, there is maddingly little information about these recordings.
Thanks for you reply, I will make a new thread to ask about this - might get the attention of anyone not looking at this thread
FOSFORITO TRACK LISTINGS From the 1968 and 3 1970 Fosforito EPS with PDL Taken from Brooks post in the Fosforito thread :
10. w/Paco de Lucia Belter 52.190 1968 Sol "No te des por ofendida"; Verdiales "En blanquear tu facha"; Fand "Si alguna vez existio"; Minera "Me voy pa la mina sola"
[al]11. w/Paco de Lucia Belter 52.361 1970 Fand "Dejar de amarte"; Mal de La Trini "Tu querer es solo mio"; Aleg "A Cadiz novia del sur"; Gran "Ya no te quiero"
[al]12. w/Paco de Lucia Belter 52.365 1970 Fand "Razon del ser"; Tarantos de Almeria "Parezco otro hombre"; Bul de Cadiz "Plazuela del Mentidero"; "Rabiando estoy por verte"
[al]13. Villancicos Flamencos w/Paco de Lucia Belter 52.375 1970 [52.275?] Villancico Flamenco "Divino Enmanuel"; Villancico Flamenco "El nino de Dios"; Villancico Flamenco "La noche mas alba"; Villancico Flamenco "El nino tiembla de frio"
Cancionero de Oro w/Juan Carmona “Habichuela”, Juan Maya “Marote” y Alberto Velez y Paco de Lucia 1971 BELTER 01-119 Cantinas “Senora y duena” (w/J.C. “H.”, J.M. “M.” y A.V.); Fand de H. “Que tu me hayas olvidado” (w/Paco de Lucia)
ALSO A SINGLE Fosforito and Paco de lucia BELTER 08-196 1972 Verdiales “Si estaba loco por ti”;/ Bul de Cadiz “Nunca te he mentido”
LPS 1968 Belter 22.219 (My collection -pictured below) Me puse a beber (Abandolas) Si alguna vez Existio (Fandangos) Me voy pa la mina solo (Minera) Estas haciendo que me Duela (caña) No Aguanto mas (Malagueña) Mientres mi corazon sufre (tientos)
No te des por ofendida (soleares) Con el vapor de mi aliento (Tarantos) Contigo me fue a Encuetrar (verdiales Fosforeros) Lecciones como la vida (fandangos de lucena) Te he dicho que no quiero (peteneras) Que tu me hayas Olvidado (Fandangos de huelva)
1969 BELTER 22.360 TRACKS Belter 22.360 1969 [bne]˚Belter 91.360 1970 Fandangos "Dejar de amarte" Martinete "No siento que este la fragua" Liviana "Rabiando estoy por verte"Siguirilla "Cuando yo me muera" Mal del Canario "En la pared" Cartagena"Pastora divina"
Granaina "Ya no te quiero" Taranto de Almeria "Parezco otro hombre" Tangos de Cadiz "Campanitas de oro y plata" Alegrias "A Cadiz novia del sur" Bul de Cadiz "Plazuela del Mediterraneo" Sol de Cadiz "Lo que yo estoy padeciendo" - thanks Brook
OLYMPO SL-2028 1978 La Cana (F., J.V. y P.P.) Caracoles "Manuela Reyes" Fand de Huelva "Que tu me hayas olvidado" Soleares "No te des por ofendida" Carretera del Brillante" (Sol -Aleg - Fand de H.) Jaberas "Libre para quererte" Fandangos "Cantan los tres" Mart "Martinete del Cafe del Burrero" (P.P., J.V. y F.) - Thanks again Brook
El Cante de Fosforito 1969 BELTER 22.136 ( more info needed- who is guitarist?) If that has Paco then we are looking for only one more LP with Fosforito and Paco EDIT - 07/10/14. This LP has Juan Carmona and Alberto Velez acompanying Guitar
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