RE: Left Hand

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Aretium

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RE: Left Hand (in reply to guitarbuddha)

Does anyone have any tips working around the 12th fret, i was practicing a pdl falseta which required a bar at the 10th which is ok open but with a capo at the 12th pfffffff.

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mark indigo

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RE: Left Hand (in reply to guitarbuddha)

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I don't know if Sabicas learned about Aguado through Escudero or Montoya but there are way too many bars of music in all of their playing which are identical to passages in Aguados method to presume either indifference or ignorance. Escudero quotes Sor pretty liberally and also Napoleon Coste.

There is A LOT of Earl Scruggs in Nunez' Trafalgar. Also a fair amount of Lauro and Garoto in his Valse.

Even more bizarrely there are frequent Freddie Green quotes in Serranito's playing. Close listening to Tomatito leads me to assume that he got his Wes Montgomery licks from George Benson.

They all seem to have soaked up a lot of the vernacular and technical approach of a wide variety of players in all sorts of styles and to have done so without prejudice.

I appreciate other styles of music, and listen to other styles, but for me there is so much flamenco to listen to, so much to study and learn, I know I will never get through it in my lifetime.... but if and when I do I might turn my attention to other styles of music.

Until then I will continue to focus on flamenco.
I am far more interested in what flamenco players create when they listen to other styles of music than I am in those other styles themselves. That's not a prejudice, it's a preference.

If someone wants to learn and play flamenco they should study flamenco, not go by some spurious route via some other style of music. If they want to play some other style of music then study that, there's probably a forum for discussing it too.

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guitarbuddha

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RE: Left Hand (in reply to mark indigo)

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ORIGINAL: mark indigo

If someone wants to learn and play flamenco they should study flamenco, not go by some spurious route via some other style of music. If they want to play some other style of music then study that, there's probably a forum for discussing it too.

I often enjoy the indirect route.

I don't insist that everyone need take the one I have taken nor the one I would take if I planned the journey again.

I find in interesting to compare approaches and textures from one style to another and take great heart from the fact that to my ears most of the greats have very clearly done the same.

There was an Old School Foroflamenco at some point. Is it still going ? I didn't like it there was too much navel gazing and not enough perspective.

D.

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guitarbuddha

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RE: Left Hand (in reply to Aretium)

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ORIGINAL: Aretium

Does anyone have any tips working around the 12th fret, i was practicing a pdl falseta which required a bar at the 10th which is ok open but with a capo at the 12th pfffffff.

Maybe post the spot in question and someone might have a way of explaining it.

A common possibility meantime is to use a half barre on bass strings only if the passage allows.
Another is to start at fifth fret and work up one fret at a time, past the twelth if you like. Playing the passage not just the single chord.

D.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 5 2014 22:11:41

Aretium

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RE: Left Hand (in reply to guitarbuddha)

Its just an Fsharpminor7 chord on the 9th fret sorry which when I would like to play with a capo at the 2nd fret becomes very hard at the 11th.

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Leñador

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RE: Left Hand (in reply to Aretium)

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Does anyone have any tips working around the 12th fret, i was practicing a pdl falseta which required a bar at the 10th which is ok open but with a capo at the 12th pfffffff.

You have to remove your thumb from the back of the neck. If your not pinching the neck when you play it shouldn't be a huge problem.

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Aretium

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RE: Left Hand (in reply to Leñador)

I once read or heard that removing the thumb from the neck and playing barres is a way of inducing proper left hand technique for applying pressure (using the weight of the arm as tennant mentions). I just played cavatina with this method and can quite comfortable barre without the use of the thumb. Is this correct?

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Leñador

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RE: Left Hand (in reply to Aretium)

I'm no pro but every teacher I've had has racked my knuckles for "pinching" the neck. The thumb is a guide and stability, not force. So if need be (IE reaching high frets) you can just pull the thumb off.

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Erik van Goch

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RE: Left Hand (in reply to Leñador)

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ORIGINAL: Lenador

So if need be (IE reaching high frets) you can just pull the thumb off.

Actually for the BIGGEST reach the thump is needed to fret :-)

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mark indigo

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RE: Left Hand (in reply to Aretium)

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Does anyone have any tips working around the 12th fret, i was practicing a pdl falseta which required a bar at the 10th which is ok open but with a capo at the 12th pfffffff.

it wasn't this was it?

there are some high fret bars from about 0:20 to 0:40. Check out the one at 0:31!
I have no problem making half bars with the first (distal) joint bent back (extended) but can't make the 5 string bar with the middle (medial) joint bent back (extended) like Paco does.

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