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ricecrackerphoto

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Oct. 30 2013 12:47:15
 
Derek Woulds

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RE: Why I am only going to use P-I-M... (in reply to ricecrackerphoto

What is the point of that. Either smoke the fag or play the guitar. Perhaps he couldn't find an ashtray. Cigarettes must be very cheap where he lives to allow it to burn away like that! I know rock guitarists used to put a ciggie under the strings at the headstock but I think this was just to look cool (they thought).
I am not a smoker by the way.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Oct. 30 2013 13:15:29
 
tele

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RE: Why I am only going to use P-I-M... (in reply to ricecrackerphoto

LAME, it looks like he is waiting it to burn his fingers or trying to show off in a lousy manner. Instead when moraito played with a cigarette in the headstock that was relatively cool.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Oct. 30 2013 13:27:51
 
ricecrackerphoto

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RE: Why I am only going to use P-I-M... (in reply to ricecrackerphoto

Ha! As a smoker I can confirm that unless the actual cigarette is in the mouth, a'la Slash, then it's just for posturing.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Oct. 30 2013 14:06:07
 
Sr. Martins

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RE: Why I am only going to use P-I-M... (in reply to ricecrackerphoto

It can also be used to disguise smell. Maybe he had let one go just before the video shoot.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Oct. 30 2013 14:35:48
 
guitarbuddha

 

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RE: Why I am only going to use P-I-M... (in reply to Sr. Martins

Comedians please note Baden died after a lengthy struggle with cancer.

Along with Luis Bonfa, composer of this piece, and Jaoa Gilberto he was very important in the development of the guitar in Bossa Nova and also in its development as a solo instrument.

Baden left behind many fine compositions and his impact can be heard everywhere toady,not least in the playing of the likes of Nunez and JC Romero.

D.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Oct. 30 2013 15:23:40
 
Sr. Martins

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RE: Why I am only going to use P-I-M... (in reply to guitarbuddha

I dont see anything wrong with comedy based on people (dead or alive).


Either way you seem to miss the point of what I just wrote (cigarettes and not the man).
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Oct. 30 2013 15:57:23
 
BarkellWH

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RE: Why I am only going to use P-I-M... (in reply to ricecrackerphoto

Baden Powell was one of Brazil's (and the world's) finest musicians, but playing with a cigarette in his hand is really lame. It reminds me of those jerks who go out on the dance floor with their necktie loosened, dancing while holding a drink in their hand. Pure posturing, and they don't know how much they look like "lounge lizards."

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Oct. 30 2013 16:14:02
 
Richard Jernigan

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RE: Why I am only going to use P-I-M... (in reply to ricecrackerphoto

From Romanillos's book on the guitar maker Torres:

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"One of the ribs of this instrument gives clear evidence of Tarrega's passion for smoking. There are several marks where the wood has been burned, probably the result of cinders falling from the cigarettes Tarrega smoked while playing the instrument. SE 49 bears these marks, undoubtedly resulting both from the artist's complete absorption in whatever piece he was playing and from the poor quality of the tobacco and the coarseness of the cigarette paper! Not only the protective coating of varnish was burned but also the very wood. The cigarette tended to burn unevenly, catching alight in some parts and not others, causing particles of smoldering tobacco to fall onto the upper rib of the guitar. In one photograph published in Pujol's book, Tarrega can be seen in the middle of a rendition of some musical passage and, hanging from his lips half-hidden under some musical passage and, hanging from his lips half-hidden under his beard is an unevenly burnt cigarette. A compulsive smoker, Tarrega was never without a cigarette, be it during his private recitals or during his public concerts. The music critic for the magazine Ilustracion Espanola y Americana remarked that not only could Tarrega perform passages with only the left hand but he also allowed himself the luxury of smoking while he played."


Tarrega was never diagnosed with lung cancer, but in middle age hardening of the arteries caused defects in his fingernails. He had to cut them and played without nails for the last few years of his career. According to the encyclopedist Domingo Prat it detracted from his tone. Hardening of the arteries was probably what killed Tarrega.

My friend Pat H. used to leave an end of one of his steel treble strings sticking up from the tuner. He would stick his cigarette on the string end if he sang while he played. If it was strictly an instrumental, he might keep on smoking. I haven't seen Pat for years. I hope he has quit by now.

I used to smoke regularly. One cigar per week, with a glass of cognac on Friday evening. Lately I've kind of lost interest. In cigars, that is....

RNJ
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Oct. 30 2013 16:34:33
 
Mark2

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RE: Why I am only going to use P-I-M... (in reply to ricecrackerphoto

The hell with the cig, that's great playing!
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Oct. 30 2013 17:03:36
 
guitarbuddha

 

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RE: Why I am only going to use P-I-M... (in reply to Mark2

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ORIGINAL: Mark2

The hell with the cig, that's great playing!


Exactly.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Oct. 30 2013 17:17:16
 
BarkellWH

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RE: Why I am only going to use P-I-M... (in reply to Richard Jernigan

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I used to smoke regularly. One cigar per week, with a glass of cognac on Friday evening. Lately I've kind of lost interest. In cigars, that is....


I hope you continue to have your Friday evening cognac, Richard. I'm of the opinion that at any age, but particularly at our more "advanced" ages, a moderate drink before dinner, or just before retiring for the evening, is healthy and good for the soul.

For 35 years or more I have had a copita of medium dry Amontillado Jerez each evening before dinner. (Long ago I gave myself a set of six copitas, made especially for Jerez.) It makes an excellent aperitif, tastes wonderful, and whets the appetite. And in Fall and Winter I like to match it with a postprandial glass of port.

Cheers,

Bill

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Oct. 30 2013 17:33:59
 
hamia

 

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RE: Why I am only going to use P-I-M... (in reply to Derek Woulds

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ORIGINAL: Derek Woulds

What is the point of that. Either smoke the fag or play the guitar. Perhaps he couldn't find an ashtray. Cigarettes must be very cheap where he lives to allow it to burn away like that! I know rock guitarists used to put a ciggie under the strings at the headstock but I think this was just to look cool (they thought).
I am not a smoker by the way.


I wouldn't be surprised if he was asked to hold the cigarette by some "artistic" director. Too many videos are marred by irritating gimmickry - fade ins/outs, ceiling shots, sherry barrel shots, face shots, etc. When will they ever learn that all they need to do is put a fixed camera about 10 feet in front of the player and leave it well alone.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Oct. 31 2013 11:50:44
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RE: Why I am only going to use P-I-M... (in reply to hamia

I'm afraid there's quite a bit of footage and photos of Baden with cigarettes over a long period of time
From parties to concerts
Almost seemed to be his companion ..
Don't think he needed any promoting
He enjoyed the cigarettes and drink till it eventually killed him
Like so many other musicians

But the most brilliant player and composer who bought together so manny elements of Brazilian music...
A few generations on Yamandu has a Brazilian terracotta tea drinking cup that resembles a bong..
. Times change



My caceres guitar was onced owned by a heavy smoker, including a small burn mark on the upper side
The smell of cypress and tobacco it emits is really a beautiful spicy smell ..more exotic than a cigar box.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Oct. 31 2013 14:06:22
 
Richard Jernigan

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RE: Why I am only going to use P-I-M... (in reply to BarkellWH

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ORIGINAL: BarkellWH

For 35 years or more I have had a copita of medium dry Amontillado Jerez each evening before dinner. (Long ago I gave myself a set of six copitas, made especially for Jerez.) It makes an excellent aperitif, tastes wonderful, and whets the appetite. And in Fall and Winter I like to match it with a postprandial glass of port.

Cheers,

Bill


I used to do a fair amount of business with one of the largest of the UK Government Research Establishments. I was always invited to lunch at the Directors' Mess. White tablecloths, silver plated knives and forks, real chinaware. We always stood about with a glass of amontillado, chatting for a while before sitting down.

On the first couple of occasions I commented, briefly and in passing, that in the USA my other companions and I dined together. It fell upon deaf ears. British protocol was strictly adhered to. Those guys had worked hard to be admitted to the upper crust. No phony American egalitarianism for them.

In France admirals and lieutenants, engineering directors and their juniors all sat at the same table.

In conversation I once used the phrase "French aristocracy" to three young military engineers with names like de Corduve, Béthune and France. They replied instantly and in unison, "There is no aristocracy in France."

I asked, "Did you guys all go to the same school?" They laughed. Turns out they did: an exclusive school for the sons of ancient families who could still afford it.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Oct. 31 2013 16:52:28
 
Miguel de Maria

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RE: Why I am only going to use P-I-M... (in reply to BarkellWH

Bill, at first I thought you said you had six shots for your birthday!

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Oct. 31 2013 22:27:37
 
BarkellWH

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RE: Why I am only going to use P-I-M... (in reply to Miguel de Maria

Only one copita each evening before dinner, Miguel. The total of six copitas is to accommodate company or dinner guests.

Cheers,

Bill

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And the epitaph drear, "A fool lies here,
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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Oct. 31 2013 23:47:47
 
guitarbuddha

 

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RE: Why I am only going to use P-I-M... (in reply to BarkellWH

So then Bill am I to understand that whenever you have company in the evening you like to greet it with six shots loaded ?

Do you give them a chance to get off their horses ?

D.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Oct. 31 2013 23:52:52
 
BarkellWH

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RE: Why I am only going to use P-I-M... (in reply to guitarbuddha

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Do you give them a chance to get off their horses ?


Not a chance! I would have shot the horses out from under them long before they reached that point. My dinner parties would make Cormac McCarthy's "Blood Meridian" look like child's play.

Cheers,

Bill

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And the end of the fight is a tombstone white,
With the name of the late deceased,
And the epitaph drear, "A fool lies here,
Who tried to hustle the East."

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Nov. 1 2013 10:40:27
 
guitarbuddha

 

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RE: Why I am only going to use P-I-M... (in reply to BarkellWH

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ORIGINAL: BarkellWH

My dinner parties would make Cormac McCarthy's "Blood Meridian" look like child's play.

Cheers,

Bill


I remember that scene only too well !!
I trust Bill that when a man is down you respect his corpse ???????whether he was a smoker or not.......

D.
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