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Castelat

 

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The laws of physics defied by strang... 

Hello, just as the titled says.. I was puzzled by the ability of some guy that does something that physics treats like impossible. This guy have the ability to levitate things, makes a pretty weird maneuvers with some spheres around his arms and head. Notice his eyes also when he's about to levitate the spehere:

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My theory: Probably some of you won’t believe what I’ll say but… I think this guy have a contact with some entity that has “granted” him the ability to do these things, he doesn't do it, it’s the inter-dimensional being (from another dimension aka “the other side”) that helps him do (like a medium). Notice that when he’s about to levitate things his eyes change, and in occasions the lights illuminate lower (because of the energy required to make the levitation). I don’t think someone can born with these abilities, all those advanced gurus, shamans, magicians, etc , sometimes do some pretty weird stuff similar to this, and I believe they are in contact with these entities as well.

Also notice how he keeps moving his lips or talking silently while doing his act, his praying to the entity for help.

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Leñador

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RE: The laws of physics defied? (in reply to Castelat

You've never googled "magic secrets revealed"????

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rogeliocan

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RE: The laws of physics defied? (in reply to Castelat

Really nice act, very professional.
The body moves, handstand, leg behind head... are part of the Ashtanga series of positions. And he is good.
The eyes contact lenses obviously.

He certainly is a master of the balls, like the Cirque du Soleil guys, although I prefer the tits at the beginning ;)

For the floating ball... I have no clue, is it magnetic, or air flow....

Really cool act.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Sep. 11 2013 15:31:24
 
FredGuitarraOle

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RE: The laws of physics defied? (in reply to rogeliocan

quote:

My theory: Probably some of you won’t believe what I’ll say but… I think this guy have a contact with some entity that has “granted” him the ability to do these things, he doesn't do it, it’s the inter-dimensional being (from another dimension aka “the other side”) that helps him do (like a medium). Notice that when he’s about to levitate things his eyes change, and in occasions the lights illuminate lower (because of the energy required to make the levitation). I don’t think someone can born with these abilities, all those advanced gurus, shamans, magicians, etc , sometimes do some pretty weird stuff similar to this, and I believe they are in contact with these entities as well.

Also notice how he keeps moving his lips or talking silently while doing his act, his praying to the entity for help.

It's all an act...


quote:

For the floating ball... I have no clue, is it magnetic, or air flow....

I only watched the short video. The little ball is suspended by a very thin string. With the black shirt behind, the string it is very difficult to see. At 2:05 he holds the big sphere with both his thumbs.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Sep. 11 2013 16:54:09
 
El Kiko

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RE: The laws of physics defied? (in reply to Castelat

Good luck with your inter-dimensional being , entity theory .......

It's great that the fact that he calls himself an illusionist doesnt seem to phase you at all
even after a dictionary definition

illusion

Noun
A false idea or belief:
A deceptive appearance or impression:


still..........

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Sep. 11 2013 17:00:14
 
rogeliocan

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RE: The laws of physics defied? (in reply to FredGuitarraOle

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I only watched the short video. The little ball is suspended by a very thin string. With the black shirt behind, the string it is very difficult to see. At 2:05 he holds the big sphere with both his thumbs.


cool, you can actually tell it is hanging from its motion.
How does he balance the 3 balls on his head. And what are these made of even for just the big one to stay in place, like glued there.
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Ricardo

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RE: The laws of physics defied? (in reply to Castelat

seriously? it's called invisible string. See dollar bill trick.

I am more impressed by her:



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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Sep. 11 2013 17:18:51
 
Leñador

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RE: The laws of physics defied? (in reply to Castelat

I just don't understand how people jump to the supernatural before exhausting all other possibilities. When I lived with my ex-girlfriend we had an old microwave that would turn by itself sometimes. She was certain it was her dead aunt. Really???? Your dead aunt having ghost munchies seems more reasonable than there being something wrong with the microwave???? We actually had a big fight about it, looking back pretty hilarious.

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El Kiko

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RE: The laws of physics defied? (in reply to Leñador

Microwave ghost ...thats completely different and of course they exist ....
along with the dishwasher specter and Vacuum cleaner phantom ...dont get me started with the coffee maker Banshee.......

But i know what you mean ...like a programme on TV about ghost hunting in old houses and stuff.....so you go into an old house i.. midnight , of course ...
''Is there anybody there?'' ..you hear a noise ..!! of the 50 things it could be ...number 50 would be Ghost ....but lets make it no. 1 eh? .. instead ...
And so ignore ...wind , heating pipes , water pipes , rodents , expansion and contraction of wood , floor boards ,..your own Camera crew ...etc etc ...nope its positive proof of a ghost .....

Personally I always asked ' Why cant one ghost hunt around a swimming pool in Hawaii and about 3 o'clock in the afternoon..??

Are we saying Hawaii doesnt have ghosts? , or , they dont live near swimming pools ?, or they dont come out in the sun a 3 in the afternoon ,,,strange cos when they were alive I bet they did ...but now not ....ah well


was that a rant ... maybe it was ...but you'll thank me for it in the next life ....

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Erik van Goch

 

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RE: The laws of physics defied? (in reply to Castelat

I'm highly impressed by Floortje :-)

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Castelat

 

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RE: The laws of physics defied? (in reply to Leñador

Watch his eyes, how the hell does he do that!, its not lends, come on!.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lenador

You've never googled "magic secrets revealed"????


that's full of lies, it doesn't cover all of them.

quote:

ORIGINAL: FredGuitarraOle

he little ball is suspended by a very thin string. With the black shirt behind, the string it is very difficult to see. At 2:05 he holds the big sphere with both his thumbs.


I would recommend you to watch the full video again skip the dancing part, and watch on full screen, its a live show.

quote:

ORIGINAL: El Kiko

Good luck with your inter-dimensional being , entity theory


Kiko I can see you are skeptic, Inter-dimensional being are all that is from another dimension, ghosts, aliens, spiritual entities, they are all the same, if you could research those topics. I can recommend you a book by Jacques Valee (Astronomer/scientist), you would be surprised of what he says, he's one the of the most prominent Ufologists, and he got to the conclusion that these entities that have visited earth from millenia are inter-dimensional, NOT physical. (I'm assuming you have notice that this world is not like it's been told by the television.)



This things/entities are trying to trick us disguising themselves as "aliens" "extraterrestrial being" from other planets, ghosts of dead people, they can pass trough walls, appear and disappear, change color, change form, travel at impossible speeds, they can read our minds, they are very interested in human sexuality and spirituality, etc, etc.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Sep. 11 2013 22:05:27
 
Castelat

 

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RE: The laws of physics defied? (in reply to Castelat

For those who say are all tricks and magic secrets.

BTW, I'm doing this with the respect that all of you deserve, doesn't matter if you are skeptic, atheist, etc. I'm just sharing this information with you, that's all, I'm NOT trying to change your world view.



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FredGuitarraOle

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RE: The laws of physics defied? (in reply to Castelat

quote:

This things/entities are trying to trick us disguising themselves as "aliens" "extraterrestrial being" from other planets, ghosts of dead people, they can pass trough walls, appear and disappear, change color, change form, travel at impossible speeds, they can read our minds, they are very interested in human sexuality and spirituality, etc, etc.

Don't worry, Will and Tommy got our back...



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Castelat

 

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RE: The laws of physics defied? (in reply to Castelat

How did he get the hamburger?, so let's be clear, I don't believe in magic, magic its just a word. I believe, there exist some forces that help people to get rich, but they exchange their life to them. And yes they are in the government also. But i won't get to that point... yet.



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Castelat

 

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RE: The laws of physics defied? (in reply to FredGuitarraOle

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Don't worry, we are safe. Will and Tommy got our back...


Oh I don't think someone would help us. Look for William cooper, he died (well actually was killed) by exposing this.

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guitarbuddha

 

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RE: The laws of physics defied? (in reply to Castelat

I have never heard a better description of how the laws of physics can be broken than David St Hubbins'.

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RE: The laws of physics defied? (in reply to guitarbuddha

Rolling my eyes like a 13-year-old girl ...
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Leñador

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RE: The laws of physics defied? (in reply to Castelat

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This things/entities are trying to trick us disguising themselves as "aliens" "extraterrestrial being" from other planets, ghosts of dead people, they can pass trough walls, appear and disappear, change color, change form, travel at impossible speeds, they can read our minds, they are very interested in human sexuality and spirituality, etc, etc.

LOL here is where I walk away.........

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Ricardo

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RE: The laws of physics defied? (in reply to Castelat

Never mind...they are coming for YOU Castelat. They want you. I know because I see them too, and they told me to warn you.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Sep. 12 2013 6:37:54
 
Ruphus

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RE: The laws of physics defied? (in reply to Castelat

There is one basic point that seems to never be considered by superstitious interpretation.

Obviously a mind becomes increasingly pragmatic when beyond certain level of concluding ability. The further cognitive the more reasonable associating becomes in the same time. Already within our limited intellectual range we observe the tendency predominantly with some of the elderly who become wise with age. Losing on trivial characteristics like shortsightedness and selfishness while gaining on kindness and understanding.

Such immanent quality simply defys the suggestion of superiour power that would in the same time stand by at our planets misery and needlessly let happen all the drastic injust and destruction. A behaviour simply contradicting the reason and pragmatism of advanced spirituality.

A paradox already with the vision of thinking and aware robots whom your common science-fiction author and his readers on default will classify hostile towards men.


Such banal estimation ignores how it is compensation for our unsatisfied primare drives when humans get out of hand.
A thinking being however that could maintain itself by constantly improving and adapting its physics, making itself autonomous energy wise by for instance feeding on nano level, either independent from neural pleasure or in a positon to produce it anytime.
Being imune against hunger, coldness, heat and lacking satisfaction of any primare needs leaves no background for trivial failure of organic survival as with jelousy, greed and insanity.

Same and much more even with possible entity as considered in this thread.

An intellectucal capacity potential enough to arrange physics in the way described above could hardly in the same time be so trivial to expose the simplicity of exploiting, egocentric retards with the banal properties of the first kingdoms reign.
Instead such entity would have ABSOLUTELY no reason to let the unspeakable inhumanity happen, lest even participate in the insanity race as profiteer.

Trivial and superiour being beyond certain level just exclude each other logically.

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RE: The laws of physics defied? (in reply to rogeliocan

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e certainly is a master of the balls, like the Cirque du Soleil guys, although I prefer the tits at the beginning ;)


I was going to ignore this until I read *tits* now I will review this important documentation of levitation.

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I have never heard a better description of how the laws of physics can be broken than David St Hubbins'.


 


Oh MY GOD !

GB you need to review Rock History, like STAT. That is Dr. of Astrophysics Nigel Tufnel, not St. Hubbins.

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Castelat

 

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RE: The laws of physics defied? (in reply to Castelat

quote:



ORIGINAL: Ricardo

Never mind...they are coming for YOU Castelat. They want you. I know because I see them too, and they told me to warn you.


quote:



ORIGINAL: Lenador

LOL here is where I walk away.........


Good, that's your choice, I know is hard to believe, I started researching these things in 2010. (yes, I'm into conspiracies, as I am into History, Flamenco, Classical music, Philosophy, Theology, Electronics, Cosmology, etc.) And I believe physics is no all that exists... there are things beyond physics. My teacher is a 25 year experienced electronic engineer, and he's a guy that is pretty much into science, and he had some weird experiences as a child with the paranormal.

I am a fan of "Cuarto Milenio" from channel cuatro, they present very interesting things around Spain and the world (mostly paranormal stuff), sometimes is well documented even from the police, they present the physical documents in the program.

(Spanish) Encuentro con Humanoides (Encounter with humanoids) Jump to min 36:00 or 1:22:30 according to the video

http://www.mitele.es/programas-tv/cuarto-milenio/temporada-7/programa-276/

These things have been happening since men walks on earth.

There’s a prominent Spanish/Belgian scientist called José Miguel Gaona Cartolano, Doctor of Medicine in the field of Psychiatry at the University Complutense of Madrid, Master in Medical Psychology and Forensic Psychiatry specialist. Also member of the European Psychiatric Association (EPA).LINK to Gaona's background in Spanish.

He was invited to the program Cuarto Milenio, and he went to “Teatro Cervantes” in Seville, and he was seriously skeptical about all this paranormal things, and now he doubts about his skepticism when interviewed after the experiment.

This is a report that shows clearly how a first-class scientist who goes from the most extreme skepticism to believe what the dozens of people who have attested of having truly witnessed "the strange" through the corridors inside Cervantes theater had live something. Just watch it by yourselves, its in Spanish though.



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Castelat

 

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RE: The laws of physics defied by st... (in reply to Castelat

They want us to believe that they come from another planets, whatch this video, if you can.



"We are dealing with a multidimensional paraphysical phenomenon which is largely indigenous to planet earth." [- Brad Steiger, Blue Book Files Released in Canadian UFO Report, Vol. 4, No. 4, 1977, p. 20]


"One theory which can no longer be taken very seriously is that UFOs are interstellar spaceships." [- Arthur C. Clarke, New York Times Book Review, 07/27/75]

"There seems to be no evidence yet that any of these craft or beings originate from outer space." [-Gordon Creighton, Official 1992 Flying Saucer Review Policy Statement]


"The 'medical examination' to which abductees are said to be subjected, often accompanied by sadistic sexual manipulation, is reminiscient of the medieval tales of encounters with demons. It makes no sense in a sophisticated or technical framework: any intelligent being equipped with the scientific marvels that UFOs possess would be in a position to achieve any of these alleged scientific objectives in a shorter time and with fewer risks." [- Dr. Jacques Vallee, Confrontations, p. 13]


"But the UFO phenomenon simply does not behave like extraterrestrial visitors. It actually molds itself in order to fit a given culture." [- John Ankerberg, The Facts on UFOs and Other Supernatural Phenomena, p. 10]


"Human beings are under the control of a strange force that bends them in absurd ways, forcing them to play a role in a bizarre game of deception." [- Dr. Jacques Vallee, Messengers of Deception, p. 20]

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Castelat

 

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The interdimensional hypothesis (IDH or IH), is an idea advanced by Ufologists such as Jacques Vallée that says unidentified flying objects (UFOs) and related events involve visitations from other "realities" or "dimensions" that coexist separately alongside our own. It is an alternative to the extraterrestrial hypothesis (ETH).[1][2][3][4] IDH also holds that UFOs are a modern manifestation of a phenomenon that has occurred throughout recorded human history, which in prior ages were ascribed to mythological or supernatural creatures.[2]

Although ETH has remained the predominant explanation for UFOs by UFOlogists,[5] some ufologists have abandoned it in favor of IDH. Paranormal researcher Brad Steiger wrote that "we are dealing with a multidimensional paraphysical phenomenon that is largely indigenous to planet Earth".[6] Other UFOlogists, such as John Ankerberg and John Weldon, advocate IDH because it fits the explanation of UFOs as a spiritistic phenomenon. Commenting on the disparity between the ETH and the accounts that people have made of UFO encounters, Ankerberg and Weldon wrote "the UFO phenomenon simply does not behave like extraterrestrial visitors."[1][7] In the book UFOs: Operation Trojan Horse published in 1970, John Keel linked UFOs to supernatural concepts such as ghosts and demons.

The development of IDH as an alternative to ETH increased in the 1970s and 1980s with the publication of books by Vallée and J. Allen Hynek. In 1975, Vallée and Hynek advocated the hypothesis in The Edge of Reality: A Progress Report on Unidentified Flying Objects and further, in Vallée's 1979 book Messengers of Deception: UFO Contacts and Cults.[8]

Some UFO proponents accepted IDH because the distance between stars makes interstellar travel impractical using conventional means and nobody had demonstrated an antigravity or faster-than-light travel hypothesis that could explain extraterrestrial machines. With IDH, it is unnecessary to explain any propulsion method because the IDH holds that UFOs are not spacecraft, but rather devices that travel between different realities.[9]

One advantage of IDH proffered by Hilary Evans is its ability to explain the apparent ability of UFOs to appear and disappear from sight and radar; this is explained as the UFO entering and leaving our dimension ("materializing" and "dematerializing"). Moreover, Evans argues that if the other dimension is slightly more advanced than ours, or is our own future, this would explain the UFOs' tendency to represent near future technologies (airships in the 1890s, rockets and supersonic travel in the 1940s, etc.)[10]

IDH is considered a belief system rather than a scientific hypothesis because it is not falsifiable through testing and experiment. Unlike ETH, it is not possible to verify IDH by experiment or by observation because there is no way to detect the alternative theories it postulates. IDH is evaluated by UFOlogists solely on the basis of how well it fits.[1] IDH has been a causative factor in establishing UFO religion.[1]

Reference

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quote:

ORIGINAL: estebanana

quote:

I have never heard a better description of how the laws of physics can be broken than David St Hubbins'.


 


Oh MY GOD !

GB you need to review Rock History, like STAT. That is Dr. of Astrophysics Nigel Tufnel, not St. Hubbins.

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quote:

ORIGINAL: estebanana

quote:

I have never heard a better description of how the laws of physics can be broken than David St Hubbins'.


 


Oh MY GOD !

GB you need to review Rock History, like STAT. That is Dr. of Astrophysics Nigel Tufnel, not St. Hubbins.


This is indeed a huge epic fail... we're talking Spinal Tap here in which the up-most reverence is needed.
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El Kiko

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RE: The laws of physics defied by st... (in reply to Castelat

I know this is off topic place here ......but ....still .......you havent mentioned anything that isnt already known or heard of , including all the Ufologists and there ' therories '..

So not as to get involved , i am leaving now this thread , i hope you have a one of those special cameras for your encounter that UFO/Alien/ Ghosty people have, , that only take out of focus pictures and wobbly videos with no reference , taken from far away , even if you are close up ... ¿where do you get them from ?.. ebay doesnt have any , all their cameras are in focus .....still maybe thats another mystery ......


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LOL here is where I walk away.........
wait for me ... dont close the door yet .......

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Castelat

 

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RE: The laws of physics defied by st... (in reply to El Kiko

quote:

i hope you have a one of those special cameras for your encounter that UFO/Alien/ Ghosty people have


I don't have cameras, I have some interesting books, which I recommend by the way.

Messengers of deception

Natural theology (proves something not physical is beyond our universe)

I don't understand why some of you got mad tough. Many people are so stuck in their conviction about the lack of something bigger than us and use sneer jokes and arrogance against those who believe in it.. the fact that you don't believe in this (which is a very personal thing) doesn't allow you to feel better or superior; that's something I see doing from a lot of skeptics. please, stop that, and rather learn from what another person has to say about, and, especially, never be too much secure about your convictions, be opened minded to new possible realities, natural forces are not only what is out there, we must always have something to learn and strong convictions ruin this...

Think about this:

The material world we know is a world of change. A young woman came to be 5'2", but she was not always that height. The great oak tree before us grew from the tiniest acorn. Now when something comes to be in a certain state, such as mature size, that state cannot bring itself into being. For until it comes to be, it does not exist, and if it does not yet exist, it cannot cause anything.

As for the thing that changes, although it can be what it will become, it is not yet what it will become. It actually exists right now in this state (an acorn); it will actually exist in that state (large oak tree). But it is not actually in that state now. It only has the potentiality for that state.

Now a question: To explain the change, can we consider the changing thing alone, or must other things also be involved? Obviously, other things must be involved. Nothing can give itself what it does not have, and the changing thing cannot have now, already, what it will come to have then. The result of change cannot actually exist before the change. The changing thing begins with only the potential to change, but it needs to be acted on by other things outside if that potential is to be made actual. Otherwise it cannot change.

Nothing changes itself. Apparently self-moving things, like animal bodies, are moved by desire or will—something other than mere molecules. And when the animal or human dies, the molecules remain, but the body no longer moves because the desire or will is no longer present to move it.

Now a further question: Are the other things outside the changing thing also changing? Are its movers also moving? If so, all of them stand in need right now of being acted on by other things, or else they cannot change. No matter how many things there are in the series, each one needs something outside itself to actualize its potentiality for change. In the case of the acorn, it needed water, sun and a land to grow up and have the potential to change, those elements were outside its nature.

The universe is the sum total of all these moving things, however many there are. The whole universe is in the process of change. But we have already seen that change in any thing requires an outside force to actualize it.

Therefore, there is some force outside (in addition to) the universe, transcendent to the universe. Because if there is nothing outside the material universe, then there is nothing that can cause the universe to change. But it does change. Therefore there must be something in addition to the material universe. But the universe is the sum total of all matter, space and time. These three things depend on each other. Therefore this world outside the universe is outside matter, space and time, in other words is NOT a physical world.

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