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Hello all! I always thought it would be a nice idea to have a thread that deals with rhythmical syncopation and interesting ways of manipulating compas.
How about we post bulerias remates at slow tempo to steal ideas from each other? Or any bulerias compas ideas. I will participate as soon as I get a hold of my other camera.
P.S. Too bad Jason isn't a member anymore. He's scary good at this.
RE: Rhythmic Syncopation Thread (in reply to Grisha)
This is something I desperately need to work on. I will try and contribute something maybe next thurdsay (I have other things to prepare).
My humble efforts might not make sense to anyone but me and indeed may objectively be rubbish.
But I sure do want to encourage you to show us a little of what you have up your sleeve. Ditto on the Jason thing. But there are lots of other good guys around I could learn from.
RE: Rhythmic Syncopation Thread (in reply to Grisha)
I don't have much up my sleeve, but it's on my short term to do list. I can learn any remate or idea from Tomatito or Morao and post it here. I urge all of you to post something, even if it appears common to you. The idea is to post many possible solutions that foro members can practice to improve their compas feel and expand their rhythmic vocabulary. In time we can compile a nice encyclopedia of different remates and rhythmic ideas, much like the falseta thread. I myself would love to learn from members here.
RE: Rhythmic Syncopation Thread (in reply to Grisha)
You're all sleeves Grish
Nice idea, I was actually thinking of a kinda geometrical system for memorising a school of possibilities. Like Tomatition often has lines over the compas with ten notes and two holes, kinda fascinated me a few years ago. Not that I ever got any good at playing them but my ears sure improved.
RE: Rhythmic Syncopation Thread (in reply to Grisha)
No problem Grisha. Thanks for the comment. By watching Tomatito you really learn so many little things. I find Diego del Morao a bit too complicated to follow at times.
RE: Rhythmic Syncopation Thread (in reply to Grisha)
Sorry to ask such a question, but in the first video posted what guitar is being played? The Jose Vega one. On this YT page he plays a beautiful peghead negra, I'd be intrigued to what that is too.
RE: Rhythmic Syncopation Thread (in reply to Grisha)
I didn't have a capo on this crap guitar so it sounds a bit mushy but I was pretty keen to get something up before someone like Ricardo uploads some real crazy stuff.
This sort of stuff is so common nowadays I don't think we can even call it syncopation. Paco, Tomatito, Diego... that's a the real deal. I also remember Canito (where is he now?) and from the little I heard, he was awesome at producing tasty syncopated passages.
RE: Rhythmic Syncopation Thread (in reply to Grisha)
Yeah great thread idea Grisha.
Por medio and jg I need a like button.... nice stuff, thanks.
Is it worth setting up as a new thread in the Audio and Video uploads bit ?
It inspired me to upload a video from a workshop I organised with John Walsh.
He got us all doing compas variations on a single chord and really nicely demonstrated hitting 11 and 10.5. I just got permission from John and we were laughing about the last bit where I don't think he does do 11.5. Anyway it was a great workshop. I hope you find it inspiring.
RE: Rhythmic Syncopation Thread (in reply to Grisha)
Thank you all for your responses!
I should have given it more thought before starting this thread. Perhaps it's best to move it to audio/video uploads section. With more participation we can make something out of it that will benefit a lot of players around here.
I myself have access to my camera now, but no time due to upcoming duet/ensemble performances. Hopefully in a couple of weeks I may get a window and post. I really want to participate in this.
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RE: Rhythmic Syncopation Thread (in reply to jg7238)
I find it a bit difficult to distinguish the syncopated parts from the non syncopated parts, the difference is not very clear to me. Could someone post a video or show an example of a single compás of bulerías or remate with and without syncopation, please?
RE: Rhythmic Syncopation Thread (in reply to FredGuitarraOle)
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I find it a bit difficult to distinguish the syncopated parts from the non syncopated parts, the difference is not very clear to me. Could someone post a video or show an example of a single compás of bulerías or remate with and without syncopation, please?
Basically the rhythmical pattern of buleria itself is syncopated. So there is no non syncopated part about it in the first place. So at the end you are syncopating on a syncopated pattern.
A syncope is an accent that comes in an unsuspected moment in the rhythmical structure of what you are playing. It's not just giving an accent somewhere that is surprising. I think syncopation requires a lot of good taste and a good feeling for timing. Eventually you also have to get back on track. If you really can feel the rhythm you can improvise syncopations. Good composed syncopations that are played very well in time along with interesting modulations are very apealing, interesting, surprising and virtuoso.
Syncopated falsetas are very important and required for dance accompaniment for example. Dansers want something rhythmically advanced to "montar" their falsetas on. That's why falsetas para baila are quite specific and require much more rhythically. On the other hand you should watch out with them during cante accompaniment because they can be too distracting and hyperactive and kill the aire.
RE: Rhythmic Syncopation Thread (in reply to FredGuitarraOle)
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A syncope is an accent that comes in an unsuspected moment in the rhythmical structure of what you are playing. It's not just giving an accent somewhere that is surprising. I think syncopation requires a lot of good taste and a good feeling for timing.
Syncopation is an accent that's not on the downbeat, the rest is just like you said - a matter of taste.
Basically the rhythmical pattern of buleria itself is syncopated. So there is no non syncopated part about it in the first place. So at the end you are syncopating on a syncopated pattern.
That pretty much clarifies my question, I understand now. Thanks!
RE: Rhythmic Syncopation Thread (in reply to Grisha)
Ah I love that Eduardo Trassierra video.... Someone play it slowly please.
Ok so I thought I would try to do an upload from my phone of a little thing that seems to be used a lot in Alegrias. I think I have got it right but feel free to quiz me on this.
What confused me is how the upstroke becomes the down beat. It is used between beats 9 and 12 and I recorded it at 72bpm
RE: Rhythmic Syncopation Thread (in reply to Grisha)
Thanks Por Medio.
I can play it about twice the speed but thought it might be more useful slow. Thanks for the thumb tip. I need to watch that. I think it's because the upstroke becomes the downbeat it make you want to come up more. Tomatito lifts his hand a bit but you are right the thumb should definitely stay down.
Will try and record and post something a bit faster.
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RE: Rhythmic Syncopation Thread (in reply to Grisha)
Here are the 4 remates from the buleria I recorded at Todd's...but I transposed them to A (from C#) so maybe they will be more useful to everybody. That contraption (on left) is swinging the new baby.
Oh forgot, they come from this video, at 1:15, 2:29, 3:50, and 5:44.