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BarkellWH
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RE: Composing Flamenco (in reply to aeolus)
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with the snare drum effect, the 5th and 6th strings crossed at the 12th fret one atop the other. Carlos Montoya used to create the same snare drum effect by crossing the 5th and 6th strings, one atop the other, when he played "Saeta," reproducing with the guitar the various instruments involved in the Easter Week procession in Seville. Cheers, Bill
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Date Aug. 25 2013 16:24:13
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pink
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RE: Composing Flamenco (in reply to aeolus)
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Now I suppose as keeper of the winds ,from a Greek Mythology perspective, your remit would be to get all those opinions from all four points of the musical compass and bring them together by bagging them all up without allowing the greedy or overly wanting to open it up and extend the cycle for all in a detrimental way? But instead of just passing the bag over and hoping the receivers will use the content in an appropriate way you've opened it before passing it on and allowed the now soiled contents to infect the new holders....think that makes sense if we are to look at your name and perceive a connection? Although I could have got the whole thing wrong and misunderstood who you are and what you are trying to bring to the table...whilst remembering the table in question is a large ,multi national table which has a few plates on it which are full of goodies specifically aimed at satisfying the appetites of flamenco enthusiasts ....not that its only a flamenco diet but perhaps remembering that the content has a heavy and healthy bias to that subject matter. Now I've brought a couple of classical type threads to the table, and in fairness have hoped for a wink or two of appreciation concerning the content of those posts but I've never expected to have a large percentage of a very keenly loyal to subject matter group, jump ship or even slightly bend towards another style, and again, in fairness if I was seeking a totally sympathetic audience then I should too have taken those threads to a more appropriate forum or place. Now at the risk of sounding even more patronizing and blatantly hypocritical I have really enjoyed a fair percentage of your input....as long as you are not trying to convert the masses, walk on water or indeed ,turn said water into wine , if you get my drift? You are ,I believe ,a member with a shed load of valuable life experience that you could share at the foro's table if you could just accept who is sharing the table and why they are sitting there in the first place. I really don't intend to insult you or any other member with this diatribe and apologize if I have ............though i think the message is clear and I hope fair. Best pink
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Date Aug. 25 2013 22:50:08
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Erik van Goch
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RE: Composing Flamenco (in reply to aeolus)
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ORIGINAL: aeolus quote:
Still he was wildly exited when Paco played that tune So your father equated PDL with Bach. Interesting. But a cat may look at a queen and if I found PDL's blazing percussive style tedious, I figure that's just my take so I wouldn't look down your nose at a less informed aficionado of the guitar. And if these hallowed precincts of the mystic art of flamenco are unwilling to listen to some great guitar picking by an 11 yo, it's your loss. You seem to be an equally bad reader as a (flamenco) listener. I never stated my father equated PDL with Bach (although La Barrosa is equally dear to me), nor that i/we can't enjoy some great (classical) guitar picking by an 11 yo...... i believe i claimed one can enjoy both! And as far as looking down ones nose is concerned, when i stated composing is basically a matter of sitting down with the intend to create, adding it is a shame i don't do it more often myself since i like to believe i have a certain talent to recycle music in a decent and tasteful way, your reaction was quote:
O dear- while what you have composed could be of great beauty and totally original, the odds are stacked against it being anything but trite. Be advised it takes talent to produce works of beauty or inspiration. Perhaps because flamenco seems more defined by technique (fast picado) than anything else you might be forgiven imagining you are an accomplished composer When i praised La Barrosa for being such a work of beauty and great inspiration your reaction was again that video only illustrated the problem you have with flamenco, being overly percussive and not exploiting the strength of the guitar (to back this up you posted a composition of Bach, by far the greatest composer ever). In a later post you even called PDL's blazing percussive style tedious. I can indeed interpret that as just an opinion, but i can also interpret that as the reaction of a lover of classical guitar looking down his nose at the flamenco guitar.
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Date Aug. 26 2013 1:26:36
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athrane77
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RE: Composing Flamenco (in reply to pink)
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Composing Flamenco? Time will eliminate your problems. Just keep on that what you're already doing , learning a lot of falsetas, listening to cante, just listen and play what you enjoy and what you like. My main source of inspiration is just all that stuff I have learned in my life. This source gets bigger every day, like my inspiration either. The first piece you'll "compose", will be more or less an imitation of the style of other great musiciasn and composers. Your "own" stuff, more or less, a so called "real composition", is another thing. The stuff of the most composers is always a mix of original ideas and imitation. However, calm down, grab your guitar, smoke something nice and you'll compose
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Date Aug. 26 2013 14:18:32
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Ricardo
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RE: Composing Flamenco (in reply to Erik van Goch)
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I can indeed interpret that as just an opinion, but i can also interpret that as the reaction of a lover of classical guitar looking down his nose at the flamenco guitar. Erik, your point is well understood I am sure, but you are sort of wasting electrons responding to aeolus further. This all started back when I made a personal assesment of Segovia's career and importance and he did not like that, clearly. Without checking my credentials (degree in music, studying classical guitar), assumed that a "flamenco guitarist" could not possible give a meaningfull assessment of the man and "his" music. His resentment toward some of my conclusions, obviously remains as can be seen by the random non constructive "classical guitar is superior" type postings, any time it might seem a good time to "troll" in a topic. Of course it is irritating, but best not to get into the back and forth thing again and again, as you won't be convincing anyone of anything.
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Date Aug. 26 2013 17:51:37
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folk? wonder if Barrios will stand the test of time....steel strings and all... on the composing topic i asked Antonio Rey how he composes... he summed it up quite simply study everything....learn to play what the masters play...transcribe...{by ear not tab or score } then its down to melody Rhythm harmony he then got me to sing a short phrase we put it on the guitar... played around with it.. x amount of chords....x amount of rhythm variation...articulations... etc etc then the elusive and ephemeral element became obvious to me making it flamenco.... and having the the time left in this life to transcribe the masters... oh yeah although not flamenco i asked yamandu costa the same question he said he likes to whistle while sitting on the can....sometimes sitting with the guitar...
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Date Aug. 26 2013 19:41:27
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