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Did Paco a compasmistake in la tumbona???
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Ron.M
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Joined: Jul. 7 2003
From: Scotland
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RE: Did Paco a compasmistake in la t... (in reply to Doitsujin)
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Doit, I can definitely see it from your point of view...that if you count it slowly, one note at a time it appears to be out of compás. But if you just listen to it at full speed, then somehow it is exactly in compás. How do you work that out? The reason I say this is because of my previous post, which probably should have read, "How come all the Bulerias Falsetas I like are the ones that sound out of compás?" LOL! But it's true!! These are the ones that "throw" people a little and thus create the excitement IMO. I've heard dozens of them, not only from the Greats, but of some of the minor guitarists in the peñas in Jerez. They really get me down...'cos it's as if they have a facility with the rhythm that escapes us. For instance I really had a problem with the intro to "Cipres". To my mind it was totally out of compás. In the end I thought it was a sort of "free form" intro. It was only after listening to it many times that I realized that he didn't put the main beats on the 12 but on the 10 that suddenly it became obvious! So Doit, I'd be careful about accusing Paco of playing out of compás, (for artistic licence or any other reason), before you've totally exhausted every possible explanation of how you hear it. Personally, I think since Paco has been playing since he was 5 or 6 years old and rose up from a humble Flamenco obsessed family in Algeciras to becoming what everybody accepts as being the greatest living Flamenco guitarist ever..... I would have to question my own way of hearing it first, before I would claim that Paco was out of compás. I know what your saying Doit, amigo...I get the same annoyances as well when I hear stuff! But I tend to put it on a back burner...maybe something I'll see in a few years time..LOL! cheers Ron PS. We need some more input on this guys! Don't be shy.. Let's hear your opinion on this timing issue. This is how we all learn. Ricardo...I have every faith that Ricardo will be able to explain everything. Ricardo's got a good brain for these kinds of arguements.
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